Plane Request: Hanger9 Showtime!

[Michael30263]

:D I've just purchased the Hanger 9 Showtime... Would sure apreciate it if one of you fine fellows could make one for G3! Thanks!!!

[opjose]

Moved to correct forum.

Please read the stickies.

[Michael30263]

aye... sowey! :o

[opjose]

Actually I've been thinking of adding the Showtime to my stable too.

Have you flown it?

[Ryan C. Archer]

i'm still trying to finish the showtime i am making for g3. please be patient. ryan

[Huckin'Chikn]

Hey Ryan, lemme know when you get it finished....I'm a possible buyer of the showtime too! Thanks!

Jared
WiNgNuT

[r1derbike]

I love how the Flat-out Turmoil with the SFG surfaces handles. Just can't get used to the look of these planes, though. Like anything else, it will take some time to get used to.

BTW, why the 4-D moniker? What am I missing? :D

Charles

[Michael30263]

Actually I've been thinking of adding the Showtime to my stable too.

Have you flown it?

Naw not yet... I just bought it two days ago. I'm proly gonna put a Saito 125 in it... keep it light too. I'm looking forward to it though, it looks like it will rocket and 3D both! hehe Let me know if you get it and how it flys if you happen to beat me to it... Thanks! :)

[Michael30263]

I love how the Flat-out Turmoil with the SFG surfaces handles. Just can't get used to the look of these planes, though. Like anything else, it will take some time to get used to.

BTW, why the 4-D moniker? What am I missing? :D

Charles

I just liked the looks with or without the SFG's... and if it flys anything like the Turmoil it should be fun!

[Michael30263]

i'm still trying to finish the showtime i am making for g3. please be patient. ryan

Aiight Ryan, I look forward to it! Thanks!!! :D

[opjose]

BTW, why the 4-D moniker? What am I missing? :D

Charles

4-D planes seem to have very large control surfaces, large throws and low wing loading.

In other sims 4-D connotes having a variable (reversing) prop, hence the "4" since the plane can briefly fly backwards, etc.

I suspect that the name stuck and is being used to distinguish unusual acrobatic abilities, such as with the Showtime and it's "Side Force Generators".

The SFG wings proport to allow the plane to be more stable in flight and also to be able to knife edge better, since those "blades" act much like wings.

Wow, they dropped the price on the Showtime now that it's coming out...

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/HAN/450/han2800-450.jpg

[Michael30263]

4-D planes seem to have very large control surfaces, large throws and low wing loading.

In other sims 4-D connotes having a variable (reversing) prop, hence the "4" since the plane can briefly fly backwards, etc.

I suspect that the name stuck and is being used to distinguish unusual acrobatic abilities, such as with the Showtime and it's "Side Force Generators".

The SFG wings proport to allow the plane to be more stable in flight and also to be able to knife edge better, since those "blades" act much like wings.

Wow, they dropped the price on the Showtime now that it's coming out...

http://www.horizonhobby.com/ProdInfo/HAN/450/han2800-450.jpg

Yeah, I paid $180.00 for it :)

[PittsS2B]

Naw not yet... I just bought it two days ago. I'm proly gonna put a Saito 125 in it... keep it light too. I'm looking forward to it though, it looks like it will rocket and 3D both! hehe Let me know if you get it and how it flys if you happen to beat me to it... Thanks! :)

I have test flown the showtime for a member of my club a would say keep it on the lite site but when you put the SFG on boy can you do some stuff let me know how you get on will you :D

[Michael30263]

I have test flown the showtime for a member of my club a would say keep it on the lite site but when you put the SFG on boy can you do some stuff let me know how you get on will you :D

I am proly going to put the Saito 125 in it... either that or the new Zenoa 20EI. All depends on which has more power to weight ratio. No additional weight will be added less a remote glow igniter and fuel filler. :D

[Michael30263]

i'm still trying to finish the showtime i am making for g3. please be patient. ryan

Hey Ryan... just checking in to see how your doing with the plane! Looking forward to it :D

[r1derbike]

I've got a Saito .72. Wonder if there is a .50 to .60 size ShowTime that has been tested with the .72? This engine has torque, but it is HEAVY!

Charles

[opjose]

The Showtime or The Funtana 90.

I can't decide which one to get.

The Funtana ads say that the wings are easy to remove and install ( a big plus for me ). I also like the low wing loading....

I like the Showtime color scheme and SFG's, but the Yellow Funtana should be easier to see against a grey or bright sky.

Arghhhhh.....

decisions, decisions....

[r1derbike]

ShowTime...there, you've decided!

Lessee...put the OS 1.60 on the .90 Showtime, then put a 3.2 gas on my 1/4 scale Extra-300S!
Yeah! Just love the sound/smell of balsa confetti early in the morning...smells like...WAR!

Charles

[Michael30263]

I've got a Saito .72. Wonder if there is a .50 to .60 size ShowTime that has been tested with the .72? This engine has torque, but it is HEAVY!

Charles

The Saito 72 is Perfect on the 40/60 size Funtana... my brother has one and it IS totaly unlimited. Wing loading is good although it is tippy at lower speeds, to be expected when you've got 1 1/2" of throw in the ailerons on a 40/60 plane! HA HA It's a perfect plane for windy days too... just watch the ground effect don't slam ya on landing!

[Michael30263]

The Showtime or The Funtana 90.

I can't decide which one to get.

The Funtana ads say that the wings are easy to remove and install ( a big plus for me ). I also like the low wing loading....

I like the Showtime color scheme and SFG's, but the Yellow Funtana should be easier to see against a grey or bright sky.

Arghhhhh.....

decisions, decisions....

Hey opjose.... that yellow version of the Funtana is easy to see alright but this Showtime is real easy to see also since the belly is white and the top is pearl purple... the design on the wings make it easy to see also. I haven't got the plane totaly built yet but since I also have the Hanger9 80" Cap 232 with the same two colors I can say spotting this plane in the air at any distance is easy. Remember the New Funtana also comes with SFG's that screw on the ends of the wings and they've changed the colors of the plane itself. I'm not too sure how that plane will handle with them out there on the tips though, but either the Funtana or the Showtime's SFG's are easily removed. I also like the tappered ailerons on the Showtime... most of your larger 3D planes are now going with them giving you much better/smoother control from what I'm hearing. I'm looking forward to this plane anyway... it sure is a beautiful plane (at least for now!) HA HA...

[opjose]

So the consensus is the Showtime then?

Thanks... I needed a tipping point....

[Michael30263]

So the consensus is the Showtime then?

Thanks... I needed a tipping point....

Well, you know what opinions are like... everyone's got one! But for what it's worth... my money's with the Showtime. Even the construction of it seems better than the Funtana. My local hobby shop allows me to open the boxes of different planes prior to buying one... that gives me a good chance to see what I like and don't like about the model. I also like to check some of the reviews for 'red flags'. Anyhoo, like I said, "opinions"... ask three people and you'll prolly get three different "opinions! :D

[inky00]

Opjose,i have a funtana 90 and they are a great plane so i would suggest getting one of them.To be honest i don't see the point in the side force generators as they are only really any good for knifeedge and the funtana will knifeedge all day long anyway.I have a Saito FA 150 on mine and it is truelly unlimited in performance and the extra weight upfront doesn't affect the performance to much as they are quite tail heavy anyway so you don't need to add extra weight in the front.So for me there is no contest as lets be fair the SFG are just gimmicks and you can do anything with a funtana that you can do with a showtime with or without the SFG.

[opjose]

Inky00

That's how I viewed it too, which is why I'm having such a hard time making a decision.

Both seem to be excellent planes.

I'm SOOO confused! :eek:

[Michael30263]

Inky00

That's how I viewed it too, which is why I'm having such a hard time making a decision.

Both seem to be excellent planes.

I'm SOOO confused! :eek:

I'd open the box of both planes before I made my decission... and yes the Funtana will knife edge just fine but the SFG gives you to ability to do it Much slower. Fly the Turmoil Flatout vrs the 580 Cap Flatout and you'll see what I mean. Also like I mentioned before, the tappered ailerons are the other reason I chose the Showtime. To each there own! hehe...

[opjose]

I've found several raging debates over at RCUniverse on the Showtime versus the Funtana 90.

The Showtime seems to be winning, but the Funtana holds up pretty well.

:confused:

[Michael30263]

I've found several raging debates over at RCUniverse on the Showtime versus the Funtana 90.

The Showtime seems to be winning, but the Funtana holds up pretty well.

:confused:

Hey opjose.... check this link out if you haven't already. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3106917/mpage_1/key_Showtime/tm.htm <--- looks like the Showtimes winning that battle! hehe... Also looks like I've chosen the right motor for it too... the Saito 125, keep it light and that should do just fine! GL in your choice!

[opjose]

Yeah that's one of the threads I saw.

Pricing things out it seems that the Funtana may be cheaper all around and I can utilize some of my existing servos with it versus the Showtime.

Ugh...

[mondell]

I have a funtana it flys great I had a 90 on it i'm know going gas on everything and its the funtanas turn puting a lite 20cc or 25cc it and if you just want sfg's go with the funtana X and it's better built.

Hope this helps,
Mondell

[opjose]

Oh, it's sooo confusing.

In the end after reading both manuals, I ended up with the Funtana 90.

It was going to ultimately cost me a bit less to put together since I could use my existing Hi-Torque servos... and I can always add SFG's to it easily.

The thing that tipped the scales for me, was that with the Funtana, I could install seperately operable elevator servos into it on seperate channels.

The Showtime supports two elevator servos but the elevators must move in unison because of the cross bar.

The Funtana allows differential elevators!

E.G. I can have flaperons and elevons on the same plane with a 7 channel RX...

I already have TX's that are more than suitable for this.

This will be rather interesting and has all sorts of possibilities for many purposes including gyros for hovering, etc..

I need to model this in G3 so you can see what I'm talking about.

[Michael30263]

Oh, it's sooo confusing.

In the end after reading both manuals, I ended up with the Funtana 90.

It was going to ultimately cost me a bit less to put together since I could use my existing Hi-Torque servos... and I can always add SFG's to it easily.

The thing that tipped the scales for me, was that with the Funtana, I could install seperately operable elevator servos into it on seperate channels.

The Showtime supports two elevator servos but the elevators must move in unison because of the cross bar.

The Funtana allows differential elevators!

E.G. I can have flaperons and elevons on the same plane with a 7 channel RX...

I already have TX's that are more than suitable for this.

This will be rather interesting and has all sorts of possibilities for many purposes including gyros for hovering, etc..

I need to model this in G3 so you can see what I'm talking about.

Congrats on your new purchase! I also look forward to seeing/trying your G3 version too. I suppose you can always purchase the SFG's from the new Funtana separately anyhoo... I still like mine better though! hehe.... ;)

[Michael30263]

Just an update... took me a while to find the time to put this thing together but I've got the Showtime ready to fly less one more tank of fuel for engine break-in. I'll be bring it out to the field on sunday, run the fourth tank through it, take a few pictures of it before I fly her... just incase! HA HA... I'll also weigh it but I am pretty dern sure that the Satio 125's gonna launch this puppy no problemo! I went with HTech digital servos, (5645's x4 a 5925 for the rudder), throughout and a Futaba 1024PCM receiver, 1650 nmh Sanyo battery, JR HD on/off charge-jack and a Great Planes aluminum spinner to top it off. Sweet looking plane and if it flys half as good as it looks I should be in for a fun day at the field! I'll give you my review of her next week. Cio fer now! :D

[opjose]

Yup, it's in my list of plane(s) for NEXT year.

The significant other has already tolerated, six planes this year(!!!)...

:D

[ShortBus]

OK guys instead of waiting for Ryans Showtime.....someone else is going to start one.

There are 3 pictures needed to start this.


One from ABOVE

One from the SIDE (left or right side)

One from the FRONT


Attached are 3 example photos.

[ShortBus]

Pictures that are at angles will NOT work

[ShortBus]

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[GrayMatter]

I've got a brand new Showtime, still in the box. I've also got one hanging from my ceiling, though it's a bit worse for wear. I'd be glad to do the photgraphs if anyone's interested in modelling it. Give me an e-mail address and I'll send them over as soon as I can.

[ShortBus]

JRZ150@AOL.COM


Just remember pictures at ANGLES WILL NOT WORK!!!!!

and the plane must be built.

[opjose]

Actually the disassembled plane is FAR easier to deal with when creating colorschemes.

You can piece together the images when you create the scheme.

The only caveat is that each piece must be shot from exactly the same place with the same lighting.

This is easier if you have a tripod with the camera mounted pointed down (under the tripod) at the actual piece.

Shoot, put in another part, shoot again.

[ShortBus]

Rick Delten asked for pics of the plane assembled. :)

[Michael30263]

Hey folks, just an update. I took some pictures and should have them soon. The plane w/the Saito 125 was AWSOME! Came in @ 9lbs and with a 16x4 3D prop the plane flew great! It will do ANY trick in the book and then some. I might swap to a 16x5 or 6 after the motor finaly breaks in since I've only got about 8 tanks of fuel through it so far but I am very happy with the way the set up is so far. I didn't try the SFG's yet and I am sure they will add alot when it comes to high alpha knife edges but so far I can hold a perfect knife edge with 1/4 to 1/3 rudder at slow speeds without them. I had to do very little trimming with the balance 1/2" tail heavy of the recommended setup of 7 7/16". I'm probably going to go another 1/2" tail heavy after everything is said and done. Anyway, I'll post some pictures of the maiden flight/day as soon as I get a chance to. Anyone thinking of getting a new plane? I recommend this baby! Cio fer now!

[Michael30263]

I'm pouting now.... C'mon, surely I'm not the only one that would like to see this plane for G3? Like a wise man once said.... Git 'R' Dun! :D BTW... flew it for the first time with the SFG's and it will hold a knife edge @ 1/4 throttle 50-70% rudder no problemo... I'm having a blast with this plane! Even a several members at our local field have told me I have improved hucking big time! I blame it on the plane... hehe

[Michael30263]

Here's a couple of pic's I took just prior to it's maiden flight... it flys as good as it looks!

[Michael30263]

Here's another view this time with the SFG's... Pawease Rick, I gotta itch I wanna scratch and you know I'd make the model if I only had a brain! hehe

[gavinlewis]

Hey, I have a showtime 90 and the elevators are not linked, but on my radio (7CAP) I had to use a reverser because it doesn't support the elevator mixing.

[Michael30263]

Hey, I have a showtime 90 and the elevators are not linked, but on my radio (7CAP) I had to use a reverser because it doesn't support the elevator mixing.

I have the 9Cap so I just used chanel 2 and 5... you can also use digital Htech servos and with a programer you can reverse the servo. I thought you could slave the elevator on another chanel with the 7Cap. Good luck with your plane... I'm having a blast with mine. The only weak point about that plane as far as I'm concerned is the tail wheel... the metal is weak and bends easily. What motor did you put in it?

[Rat]

I would not hold your breath. Rick has stated in another thread that he is no longer creating user downloadable models. Especially if it is of a model that is manufactured by a company that supports another simulator such as Hanger9 supporting FSone. It was reported by Rick that he had received emails from such companies to remove content (meaning his downloadable models fro G3-3.5).