G4 Framerate comparison

[int2str]

Hi all!

Please post the Framerate you get with the following setup:

- Please set all the detail settings to "Highest" or "High" where "Highest" doesn't exist.
- Set all "Yes/No" options to "Yes"
- Load airfield "Alpine Lake"
- Load aircraft Bell H-13 Float Heli
- Let it sit on the pier with no throttle.
- Hit '1' to bring up the Navguide
- Make sure you're in windowed mode (not fullscreen)

Please post:
- Graphics card
- Processor
- Operating system
- Screen resolution
- Framerate

Thanks!

[int2str]

I'll start:

GFX: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.4 Ghz
OS: Vista Ultimate
RES: 1280x1024

Framerate: ~8 (yes, that's eight)

[phrank]

You mean "windowed" as in Maximized Window or a re-sized window?

[int2str]

Maximized Window, yes.

Thanks!

[redherring]

CPU Info:
Make: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Speed: 3006.95 GHz
Processor Count: 2

Operating System:
Windows XP Windows NT 5.1 (Build 2600) Service Pack 2, English (United States)

System Memory Info:
2048 Total Megabytes

Video Card Info:
Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
RAM: 536.9 Megabytes
Driver Version: 16384
Color Depth: 32
Resolution: 1280 x 1024

DirectX Version: 4.09.00.0904

Sound Card: SB X-Fi Audio [DF80] v5.5

I'm seeing 10.5 to 11.5 frame/sec.

Cheers, RH../

PS: Anyone who wants a detailed analysis of their PC (as above) without digging around, you can use this utility: Compcheck (http://wabashradioflyers.com/g4/compcheck.zip)

It spits out all the data in a text file (the text file is placed in the same directory as Compcheck.exe)

[phrank]

Ok, I'll bite.....

- Graphics card
Nvidia 8800GTS
- Processor
QuadCore Extreme 2.66Ghz
- Operating system
Vista Ultimate 32bit
- Screen resolution
1920x1200
- Framerate
12.1

[rccardude04]

I'm not sure why you want it in windowed mode... Trying to eliminate AA/AF messing things up?

Edit: I'm also curious why a more or less top of the line card is getting 12.1fps. That's not right. I am sure that is what you're getting, but why on earth does this program eat so much graphics processing?
-Eric

[dhk79]

It seems to be that field in particular. The other 3D fields I've use seem to have much better frame rates with the same graphics settings.

System: Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 3070MB RAM
DX Version: DirectX 9.0c
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT, 5783424 bytes
Resolution: 1280 x 1024

Frame Rate: 5.5

Yes that is 5.5 frames per second with 3 gigs of RAM and a new DirectX 10 compatible graphics card with 512MB of RAM on the card.

[phrank]

UPDATE:
The reading above was taken with "Windows Vista Basic" Theme.
After changing back to "Windows Aero" Theme, my Frame Rate jumped up to between 21.1 and 21.6FPS.

I assumed Vista Basic used less resources, but I was wrong. :confused:

Full Screen gives me an extra FPS at 22.8FPS.

Interesting indeed, I suppose "Windows Aero" will stay on permanently.

Frank...

Ok, I'll bite.....

- Graphics card
Nvidia 8800GTS
- Processor
QuadCore Extreme 2.66Ghz
- Operating system
Vista Ultimate 32bit
- Screen resolution
1920x1200
- Framerate
12.1

[whitewolf]

Graphics card nVidia 7300GS 512MB
- Processor AMD Athlon64x2 4200+ 2.21GHz 4GB
- Operating system Win XP Home
- Screen resolution 1024x768
- Framerate 5.3
Everything set to max.
Gateway EV910 CRT monitor

[Norton]

Stupid question I know but,

I think I have always flown in window mode but have never really looked into it.
How do you switch from window mode to full screen and back?
I'll post my FPS after I figure that out.

[int2str]

Stupid question I know but,

I think I have always flown in window mode but have never really looked into it.
How do you switch from window mode to full screen and back?
I'll post my FPS after I figure that out.

Hit Alt+Enter

[opjose]

You set the resolution for full screen mode in the settings page.

[Norton]

Here ya go,

Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GT KO (overclocked)
RAM: 512 Megabytes

CPU Info:
Make: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz

Windows XP

Resolution: 1280 x 1024

4 GB's of Ram

Frame rate: 13.2


What about the vid card settings them self, I have alot of my stuff cranked up there. Also I have been having fairly low drop in frame rates when in online sessions too.

Just wondering why some of your FPS are lower than mine? My system is very clean and uncluttered though?

[Norton]

One other thing,

I don't keep my settings that high at all. Normally I'll get 190 fps on a photo fields and about 1/2 that on 3d fields. Online it's about 72 photo and 40 3D, depending on whats going on. Thats fine for the eye candy I want.

[int2str]

Well, you can't keep your settings that high. 13.2 FR is not flyable.

Part of this exercise is to find out what it takes to make use of the new graphics AND water. Many of the machines posted here are far above the "Optimal system" specs on the G4 box. Yet, I have not seen a single FR posted here that would be flyable on Alpine Lake.

I've called tech support to find out what it takes but couldn't get a straight up answer.

It's a little disturbing that many machines here are DX 10 capable and will undoubtedly run the recent crop of FPS just fine, but can't seem to render an RC airfield smoothly.

I sincerely hope that KE is working on improving the efficiency of their graphics engine.... Though somehow I doubt it...

[int2str]

Update!!!

New CPU: Intel Core Duo 6850 - 3 Ghz
New Gfx: Nvidia Geforce 8800 GT 512MB
New Mem: Corsair 4 GB DDR2
New Mobo...

Result:
40 FPS at Alpine Lake :)

So THAT's what it takes?! :D

[James1701]

Just because a card is a DX 10 card does not mean its a good card to game on. Like all other games, anything less than an 8800GT or 2900XT you need to have little or no shadows. That kills FPS more than anything. An 8500 card is not a gaming card even though it is a DX 10 card. Sorry for the bad news.

[Johndou]

There are things about this hobby that attract different people for different reasons. You have the builders, the guys who spend months and years slaving over a building board to produce a model airplane (or heli) so identical to the real one that it’s almost impossible to tell the difference in a photograph. You have the pattern flyers that make their planes follow such crisp and precise lines that it looks like the plane is being pulled on a string ... you have the 3D pilots who make their models fly maneuvers thought impossible just a few years back ... and you even have the computer gamers who push our software developer further and further into making our flight simulator as realistic as possible. I don’t spend hours slaving over a building board, my lines aren’t crisp and clean, I have a great deal of trouble making my 3D Mojo hover and I don’t play computer games. I don’t think that the pattern flyers care that my lines aren’t very crisp, I know the 3D pilots would be more then willing to give me pointers on how to improve my hover - (practice, practice, practice) ... and I certainly can’t imagine the computer gamers being pushed out of shape because my computer system isn’t as “top notch” as theirs.

I use the flight simulator to enable me to fly year round and to help perfect my flying skills. I would much rather continue using G3.5 and save the cost of computer upgrades for that new Saito 125 or a new Top Flight B-25 or maybe the 12FG 2.4GHz from Futaba. Oh, I’ll upgrade my computer system some day ... I’ll have to eventually. And when I do I’ll keep G4 and it’s requirements in mind.

[leonard]

Nvidia GeForce 6800, 256Mb
Intel P4 640, single core, HT 3.2GHz
XP Pro, SP2
1280x1024
5.9

[r1derbike]

Ask, and ye shall receive:

Asus A8N32SLI Deluxe
2 gb OCZ high-speed memory
XFX 8800 GTS 640 MB Video (1600X1200 Native Resolution)
4 year old AMD FX-55 processor

4X AA, 4X AF, shadows medium, water effects highest. I may run shadows highest with my boot OC rules, for the machine, and get nearly identical fps as my stock speeds with shadows on medium.

I set the system back to "stock" (no OC rules) status, just to show what an old computer may do. I don't need the latest/greatest machine, yet...

Oh...forgot; 41.4 fps on the screenshot, in case you missed the NavGuides.

Charles

[johndoe25]

Asus P5K Premium
Processor: Intel Q6700 Quad core @2.66
Vidieo: XFX 8800 Ultra
Ram: 2 Gigs OCZ
Audio: Sound Blaster X-Fi

Settings maxed out.
Running at Non Windowed full screen @ 1680 x 1050 I get 33.6 to 34.0 fps

[r1derbike]

Everything at absolute max test:

16X AF, 16XQ AA, Shadows Highest, Water Effects Max., Texture Filtering High Quality, Computer *reduced* to bone-stock speed.

Asus A8N32SLI Deluxe
2 gb OCZ high-speed memory
XFX 8800 GTS 640 MB Video (1600X1200 Native Resolution)
4 year old AMD FX-55 processor

20.1 FPS

Charles

[galdoes16]

DFI Lanparty Elite
Opteron 170 OC'd to 2.8
4gb of OcZ platinum
7900GTX
Soundblaster Xtreme music.

I get around 35-40fps, on 1920x1080 res.

This game look's amazing on my 37" Westinghouse.

[rccardude04]

Sapphire Radeon HD 3850 256Mb (stock clock... for now)
Opteron 170 OC to 2.5GHz
1280x960
14.3fps
2GB Corsair TwinX DDR500
Asus A8N-SLI Premium mobo

-Eric

[churlock]

.....Like all other games, anything less than an 8800GT or 2900XT you need to have little or no shadows. That kills FPS more than anything. An 8500 card is not a gaming card even though it is a DX 10 card. Sorry for the bad news.
Wow, no kidding!! I turned off everything that was shadow connected and and my frame rates went up by a factor of ten. 140 to 200+ fps. For me, missing the shadows isn't distracting and getting the frames rates up is a much smoother simulation. (GeForce 6800/w256mb, 3g Pent duo, 2gb, XP pro)

[stephensampson]

Time of this report: 12/1/2007, 16:12:01

Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2
System Model: Dell DXP061
BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 1.0.3
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 2.6GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM

Card name: Radeon X1300/X1550 Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x7183)
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Dell E196FP

18-21 FPS. No problems here.

[churlock]

Speaking of frame rates, I just noticed something interesting. Sitting with the aircraft on the ground (Flight school airport, F-86 turbine), with everything essentially static, i. e., just staring at the display, the frame rate sits at about 52fps. By just moving the mouse cursor around the display, the frame rate drops to 38-39 fps. One wouldn't think that simply moving a cursor around the display would affect the fps so much, or that it would even register.

I guess only idle minds with nothing else to do would notice this, but I'm certainly not going to lose sleep over it.

[leonard]

Nvidia GeForce 6800, 256Mb
Intel P4 640, single core, HT 3.2GHz
XP Pro, SP2
1280x1024
5.9

Updated the processor to an Intel Pentium D 840 3.2 Extreme Edition HT dual core
frame rate went to only 6.3

[opjose]

Updated the processor to an Intel Pentium D 840 3.2 Extreme Edition HT dual core
frame rate went to only 6.3

Did you enable the dual cores in the BIOS?

With the 6800 you may be bound by the video card's processing speed too.

[warlockg]

System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT
MFR: NVIDIA
Version: 6.14.0011.6375 (English)
Date: 10/4/2007 17:14:00, 5783424 bytes
Installed in: C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4
Free Disk Space (C:\): 404913 mb free
Launcher Version: 1.00.012
LauncherHelper Version: 1.00.125
RealFlight G4: 4.00.035

No frame rate problem here.
Shadow on.
Post Bloom >> Off = 10FPS. I can not see the difference between bloom on and off.

[scolex]

Graphics card
Nvidia 8800GTS 640meg
- Processor
duelCore 1.87Ghz
- Operating system
Windows xp 32bit
4megs ram
- Screen resolution
1280x1024
all graphics set to highest and yes!

FPS on dock 81 I need to try another FPS besides fraps dont trust it.

[Jagged Edge]

- 8800GTS
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
- 4G ram
- XP SP2
- 1440x900
- 34fps

- 8800GTS
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
- XP SP2
- 1920x1080
- 30fps

With the water on Medium I get almost 60fps.

[Jagged Edge]

FPS on dock 81 I need to try another FPS besides fraps dont trust it.

There is an FPS counter in the sim. Press 1.

[scolex]

There is an FPS counter in the sim. Press 1.
Thank you I didn't look at that thing that close. And confirmed sitting on the Dock I got 85! fraps was right on too.

[Jagged Edge]

Thank you I didn't look at that thing that close. And confirmed sitting on the Dock I got 85! fraps was right on too.

Nice results! I must need to change something on my system.

[scolex]

Nice results! I must need to change something on my system.
The only thing I could think of would be 1280x1024. and you do have the 640meg GPU right? Mine is stock and I have not overclocked anything yet. Maybe its my case with the 200mm fan <- LOL Let me know what you find.

[warlockg]

I had nice screen counts on the lake until I upgraded to Direct X 10. I can see little if any improvement in visuals while loosing the usable frame rate ranges. As a patch I rolled back the G4 performance settings until I get 9c back on.

Now how do I revert 10 back to 9c? I have looked everywhere to remove Direct X to install 9C again.

[rccardude04]

I think some of you are cheating and not having everything in the world maxxed out. :D
I get about 25-35 with my "normal" settings where I actually use the sim with my HD3850 and opty 170 @ 2.5ghz.
-Eric

[opjose]

There are other factors that come into play as well.

For instance the zoom setting dictates how much of the view can be culled and not rendered, speeding up FPS.

AA/AF settings, etc. all affect FPS. As can WHAT you are looking at, and which plane you have loaded.

There is really not a standard view and setting that we can all use to guage FPS with accuracy.

Point the view into the sky and FPS increases ( no trees to render! ).

Load a heli ( more 3D objects in the model ) and FPS go down.

People will often also quote the most optimistic rate they have seen.

[jrsgoesfast]

Windows XP
Intel Dual Core 2 CPU 6600@2.4ghz

[jrsgoesfast]

Windows XP
Intel Dual Core 2 CPU 6600@2.4ghz
Speed 2394.15 ghz

2048 Total Megabytes of Ram

NVIDIA GeForce 7900GTX
536.9Megabytes Video Ram
1680x1050 Resolution

FRAME RATE = 15.6

[scolex]

Well I tried it again today and now I am only getting 40-45fps at the most. I must have missed something before now I just have to try and dup it to find out what it was :confused: .
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Build 2600
Total Physical Memory 4,096.00 MB
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~1866 Mhz
Processor x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6 GenuineIntel ~1866 Mhz
Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS
Adapter RAM 640.00 MB
Resolution 1024 x 768 x 85 hertz
:mad:

[Super D]

I just tested my system:
Dual EVGA 8800GTS 320MB in SLI Config
Intel 6600 (2.6GHZ) Overclocked to 3 GHZ
4Gig of Corsair Dominator Ram
EVGA 680i Mobo

I have ALL of the setings set as hi as they can go and the resolution set to 1680*1050. I am seeing between 40.8 FPS and as high as 52.4 FPS.

[pplace]

Just checking to make sure everyone is doing these "comparisons" still using Alpine Lake in windowed mode? I've seen some pretty high fps and just wanted to make sure everyone was still on the same page.

[rccardude04]

Yeah that's all I was mentioning.
If you use default "keep ground in view" zoom, tell us your resolution, and use windowed mode, it pretty much takes out any other random variables. Heli idling, everyone on the same field, it'll be pretty accurate.
I think we should do a practical frames per second overview just to see. You'd have to post all the parameters where you have everything set though... AA/AF included.
-Eric