Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4

[jbourke]

FYI, we are still working through some issues regarding Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4. Please be patient. We'll make an announcement when we are ready.

Jim

[Norton]

Thanks Jim, this might stop all the worries and complaints of alot of people. It's good to know it is in the works. (But I already knew that)

Cheers.

[proton32060]

I don’t know if you can comment on this regarding previous add ons but it would help.

This close to Christmas many people who have the add ons from previous versions are probably just wondering if there is even a chance the old add-ons will work.

Since many people own all five ( like me) and since there is currently the choice of Version 4 or 3.5 it may help smooth out some holiday shopping decisions if they at least knew the odds of the old expansion packs working.

Again, I realize you may not want to comment but knowing your plans or at least the odds would be helpful in making Christmas gift decisions.

[opjose]

From experience, you can safely read between the lines.

e.g. "an announcement"...

Now if I speculate on the above, it means that they already have something that works, or at least a possible solution, but it's not quite ready for distribution yet.

[FPV Dan]

I really miss the V-22 Osprey from G-2. It was ruined in G3 and 3.5. It'd be nice to get that one back and in G4 but like it was in G2. Also, the Wolf Spyder has the same kind of issues on G4, Yaw isn't stable anymore....Please fix them. :(

[daycent]

Played with the Wolf Spyder last night at the LHS while i'm waiting for my G4 to come in. that thing is pretty squirrely!!! lot of fun, but pitch those blades a hair off in hover and it gets out of hand quick! lots of fun, but i need my Osprey!!! :)

[Andre]

I think al the previous expansion-packs should become a free/optional download part of G4.

[Jimmy Newton]

I think al the previous expansion-packs should become a free/optional download part of G4.

... should bring me a new BMW M5 for x-mas. :rolleyes:

[gyronuts]

I am a bit upset to say the least. just got G4 with expansion pack 4 and the old discs Add-ons two and three will not load onto G4. I really want my chipmunk and A10 back. Any news out there????
Bill

[josh0987]

I am a bit upset to say the least. just got G4 with expansion pack 4 and the old discs Add-ons two and three will not load onto G4. I really want my chipmunk and A10 back. Any news out there????
BillBlah stop complaining and just be glad you even have water on Realflight! better yet get a trial of 3DS max 9 and model your favourites :rolleyes:

[Law]

I am a bit upset to say the least. just got G4 with expansion pack 4 and the old discs Add-ons two and three will not load onto G4. I really want my chipmunk and A10 back. Any news out there????
Bill

Is there a reason you can't keep flying the Chipmunk and A10 with G3.5?

[josh0987]

Is there a reason you can't keep flying the Chipmunk and A10 with G3.5?What he said!

[Blade Scraper]

FYI, we are still working through some issues regarding Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4. Please be patient. We'll make an announcement when we are ready.

Jim
Are the aircraft 3D models going to be new or are they going to be the same?
Are there any plans for turning this into a new XP Pack as many of us sold our add ons,and some stores near us no longer carry add on packs.

[Kmot]

many of us sold our add ons
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[josh0987]

many of us sold our add ons. I got all 5 still :rolleyes:

[gyronuts]

don't have 3.5 anymore just G4. In the UK where G4 is not in the shops ..just 3.5 they are still selling all the original add-ons.
I have 2 model chipmunks 1/4 and 1/5 scale and want to practise manoeuvres with the G4.
how can i get a chipmunk on the G4.
Bill

[skubacb]

They have stated they are working on the Add-Ons.

Sit tight.

[Ezap]

Are the aircraft 3D models going to be new or are they going to be the same?
Are there any plans for turning this into a new XP Pack as many of us sold our add ons,and some stores near us no longer carry add on packs.

Hey Blade scaper you can make any air plane I can't. So getting rid of the exp
packs is not an option. I knew G4 had its issue's long before it hit the market.
When every thing I all ready have works with G4. Then I'll buy it.

[pplace]

Hey Blade scaper you can make any air plane I can't.

In Blade's defense: Actually he personally can't create any airplane he wants. He stated we was taking modeling classes at school.....but that's a totally different deal then getting a working model created and set up for G4


So getting rid of the exp packs is not an option.

I wouldn't recommend getting rid of the exp packs either....as they work for G4 (the add ons are the ones that currently don't work)


When every thing I all ready have works with G4. Then I'll buy it.

If that's your decision and your fine with it that's all that matters.

[Woody Aldrich]

I'm really pleased to know that work is being done to develope compatibility between G4 and the Add-Ons discs. I have nejoyed several versions of Real Flight, thinking it was the "best on the street"..... being able to use the Add-Ons discs would be great !

[ssrobzoom]

When will the add-on packs be compatible?

What's the time frame?

[Ryan Douglas]

We haven't forgotten about them. That's all I can say at this point.

[opjose]

We haven't forgotten about them. That's all I can say at this point.

And if you've been around here for a while you'd know that, THAT says a LOT!

Thanks Ryan!

[Lister7]

I have spent my nickle and have Real Flight G4. It works really great and I like it. However I really miss alot of the aircraf from the 5 Add Ons that I own. For example the P-38 lighetening, B-17, the awsom A-10 (loved that one), The Ospry(can't beleave they scrapped that one) and others. Could you guys at Knife Edge or Real Flight please make a patch or what ever for G4 to allow Add ons? Or at least make an expansion pack or packs with the really great models in the 5 add ons? If money is an issue i would gladely buy any expansion packs with the aircraft from the old add ons.

[jeffpn]

Lister, Go back and read post # 22

[phrank]

Come on Jeff, Nobody reads back past 1 post. :p

[guest_jo]

Lister7 you are joking aren´t you ?

[mswlogo]

I loaded G3 Expansion Pack 1 and 2 ok with G4.

Pack 1 loaded normal.

When I loaded Pack 2 it would not enable the ok button when I put the Key in.

Then I shut it down, found this thread and thought I was out of luck.

Then I started up G4 and it demanded the key to use G4 at all.

So I put the key in again and it took.

Seems all fine now.

[eatond]

November 2007
FYI, we are still working through some issues regarding Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4. Please be patient. We'll make an announcement when we are ready.
January 2008
We haven't forgotten about them. That's all I can say at this point

I've worked in the service industry for a long time and I can tell you guys that what customer's want is communications. Fixing something is great but keeping your customer's informed of your progress or lack of progress is even better. It wouldn't kill you and would be much appreciated if you could pop in here every couple of weeks with an update.

We don't need all the gory details, just a simple update with an estimate of how much work's been completed on the project and what the current projected finish date is.

Dan Eaton

[guest_jo]

19. of January is not so long ago, what do you expect ?
Buy Reflex and you can wait a year for information... :rolleyes:

[jeffpn]

He's just a little excited, that's all.

[eatond]

19. of January is not so long ago, what do you expect ?

I guess I expect better. :D

19 of January is not that long ago but then again the update then was it wasn't forgotten. Which isn't any more informative than the message back in November. So is the resolution to this issue coming out next week, next month, 1st quarter of 2008, 2nd half of 2008?

It's really not that hard to spend five minutes and give folks an update.

Dan Eaton

[tclaridge]

I love the Realflight Sim. I have become a better pilot using it. Given that, I have some planes in the add-ons that are part of my "fleet." I will not upgrade until I know I can still use them.

But I am patient, and I am very happy to hear it is in work. I am saving my nickels for G4 for the announcement that the add-ons are available. It is just that important to me.

[elucero]

Come on Jeff, Nobody reads back past 1 post. :p

:confused: Good mornig I'am new with Realfligth G4 and I have a Heli Blade Heli classic yellow but i good like have my heli in G4 and i found that Phrank post a link with a g3x zip file (Blade Cp classic yelow helicopter) but when I import the zip file into G4 the program show that it was charged sucesesfully and if you search the heli i can not find it.

could yo help me with this issue.

[rjmanzuk]

I have some planes in the add-ons that are part of my "fleet." I will not upgrade until I know I can still use them.
I am saving my nickels for G4 for the announcement that the add-ons are available. It is just that important to me.You are not alone, my friend. I believe there are many of us out here that share the same sentiments.

[jbourke]

We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned.

Jim

[Blade Scraper]

We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned.

Jim
Thank you Mr. Bourke, i apreciate that. :)

[bert269]

...and we all appreciate the feedback. Thanks!

[tsteege]

Thanks for the heads up.

Jim, you can PM me the announcement now if you like, I won't tell. :D
(Just kidding), keep up the great work KE.

Terry

[jeffpn]

Thanks for the heads up.

Jim, you can PM me the announcement now if you like, I won't tell.
(Just kidding), keep up the great work KE.

Terry
I really don't think it's up to KnifeEdge whether they tell us or not. I'm thinking that's up to Great Planes. That's who you bought the software from. KnifeEdge developed it.

[Law]

I really don't think it's up to KnifeEdge whether they tell us or not. I'm thinking that's up to Great Planes. That's who you bought the software from. KnifeEdge developed it.

True, but ... KnifeEdge is usually on top of the "announcements". I read about G4 here weeks before anyone else announced it. Maybe the software developers are more proud of their accomplishments then the company they support?

[jeffpn]

My point is that KE is probably only allowed to make statements authorized by GP. Putting a date on the compatability could burn them, if it's not ready by then. I've followed these forums long enough to know that whiners would come out of the woodwork if the update wasn't available the very second it was promised. Just be patient, I have alot of faith in KE. We've already been told an announcement is coming soon. That's good enough for me.

[Blade Scraper]

Hey come on guys calm down, no fighting in the war room!
But honestly just keep it clean here. :)

[tsteege]

Hey come on guys calm down, no fighting in the war room!
But honestly just keep it clean here. :)

Hey Blade Scraper,

I decided to remove my response. I didn't want to give satisfaction to individuals who seem to crave conflict.

Thanks,

Terry

[59irish]

sounds good to me have plenty of planes to fly for now it will be nice to use the add ons when it happens im sure it will soon at least they are working on it they could of said too bad and went on

you could always design your own if your really wanting something diferent

[Billy]

I'm really pleased to know that work is being done to develope compatibility between G4 and the Add-Ons discs. I have nejoyed several versions of Real Flight, thinking it was the "best on the street"..... being able to use the Add-Ons discs would be great !

[Andre]

it's time to make them a free addon !

[Cowboy]

it's time to make them a free addon !
because you don't have them already? you have to remember that working with programming takes time. they'll get it working, but they're probably focusing on bigger problems than the use of addons.

[jbourke]

Almost there...

[Jimmy Newton]

Almost there...

...thanks for the update, we'll be waiting patiently. (Drool...)

[pplace]

I myself hope they are spending as much or more time on an Exp Pack 5!

[opjose]

I myself hope they are spending as much or more time on an Exp Pack 5!

I'm looking for a physics update.

... There were the issues raised by some of the updates ( where's my P-factor and YAW? ), ground handling, heli pitch up, etc.

Much as I look forward to an add-on's fix and another expansion pack, for me physics, physics, physics first!

[rjmanzuk]

I'm looking for a physics update.
Much as I look forward to an add-on's fix and another expansion pack, for me physics, physics, physics first!Well, just remember that until they get the add-ons compatibility issue fixed, some of us aren't buying G4, which limits the population of your physics/physics/physics lobbying squad. :D

[eatond]

Almost there...

Thanks Jim,
keeping us updated is much appreciated.

Dan Eaton

[opjose]

Well, just remember that until they get the add-ons compatibility issue fixed, some of us aren't buying G4, which limits the population of your physics/physics/physics lobbying squad. :D

But then we'll just have more people involved! ... :D

Oh, wait, that's the point! :eek:

[jeffpn]

I have doubts as to how many people are holding out on G4 ONLY for Addon (non)compatability.

[kdownloader]

Can't wait :D

[deathbunny]

Hmmm the LHS tried to tell me the xpacs would work with G4. Good thing I learned along time ago not to trust sales people at any kinda small hobby type shop and to research on the web first. To his defence he prolly just didn't know any better I dont think he was lying to try and make the sale. I already bought G4 im just waiting to buy the xpacs till they will work with it. Any plans on making some new G4 xpacs?

[jeffpn]

Expansion packs DO work with G4. Presently, Addons do not. There is a difference. Your salesperson was not lying to you.

[deathbunny]

Expansion packs DO work with G4. Presently, Addons do not. There is a difference. Your salesperson was not lying to you.

Ahh didnt even realise there was a difference. It looks like "addons" is just the older set of "expansion packs". Unfortunatly I am looking for an Edge 540 and it looks like the only one is in one of the addon sets :( Thanks for clearing up the difference for me though.

[phrank]

Ahh didnt even realise there was a difference. It looks like "addons" is just the older set of "expansion packs". Unfortunatly I am looking for an Edge 540 and it looks like the only one is in one of the addon sets :( Thanks for clearing up the difference for me though.
Oh man,
You have not discovered the SWAP Pages, plenty of free planes there. Even a few Edge 540's to choose from.

[jeffpn]

phrank, you forgot to tell him to look to the forums for directions on downloading and installling swap page files. :D

[deathbunny]

I have found the swap pages and I have downloaded a couple planes from it. The G4 version planes work fine but I get errors when I fly the ones built for 3.5 or older complaining about parts not having aerodynamics associated to it or something along those lines. If the errors dont mean anything that is fine and I will use them but the planes seemed to fly kinda off so I didnt want to learn and practice on something not realistic.

Thanks for the help!

[rjmanzuk]

I have doubts as to how many people are holding out on G4 ONLY for Addon (non)compatability.Trust me ... there's at least ONE! :rolleyes:

[jeffpn]

Trust me ... there's at least ONE! :rolleyes:
I was thinking about you when I posted that! ;) :D

[rjmanzuk]

I was thinking about you when I posted that! ;) :DOh, ye of little faith! :D
Hard to imagine I'd hold out just for that? Well, it would SEEM, at least, that KE cares enough to be TRYING to achieve the G4-to-AddOns compatibility. So, hopefully those loyal customers that want our addons are appreciated. Why ELSE would they spend the money to try to resolve the issue? I certainly appreciate it that they care enough to be trying, just because some of us are grousing.

[jeffpn]

Believe me, I'm also glad that they are working on the issue; I have all 5 addons, and I won't part with them, even having given away my copy of G3. But my original point is that I don't believe there are too many people holding out on G4 only because of the addons situation.

[rjmanzuk]

Believe me, I'm also glad that they are working on the issue; I have all 5 addons, and I won't part with them, even having given away my copy of G3. But my original point is that I don't believe there are too many people holding out on G4 only because of the addons situation.I like to think of it in terms of "leaning on the elephant" ... eventually he will budge.

[mvzuilekom]

On 03-04-2008, jbourke said they were almost there...
Maybe they can give a more accurate idea about the timespan. Is almost there 1 month? 2 months?
Also, what will be the fix?

I think a lot of people are still in the dark about these topics...

[HeliBoy40]

I was told by LHS that volume 5 would would and when I got home and tried it. Well it didnt and I cant take it back now so I am stuck with it unless there is going to be a fix. I should have looked at these posts first I guess.

[rccardude04]

On 03-04-2008, jbourke said they were almost there...
Maybe they can give a more accurate idea about the timespan. Is almost there 1 month? 2 months?
Also, what will be the fix?

I think a lot of people are still in the dark about these topics...

I know speculation is usually wrong, but I bet it works with the update that precedes Expansion Pack 5's release.
-Eric

[nemo_uk]

@rccardude04 nice signature :D

[guest_jo]

whats POS ?

[jeffpn]

whats POS ?
It's not point of sale. Is Google broken again??? :D

[guest_jo]

Obviously yes: no senseful answer from them

Nothing ! Ok so what... isn´t useful anyways !

[jeffpn]

Try again. I found your answer toward the bottom of the second page. (I think I see why people don't search. :) )I was going to copy the page for you, but it's not appropriate for the forum.

[pplace]

Added support for repackaged RealFlight Add-Ons Volumes

Just noticed this in the News and Announcements thread for the new G4 Version release of 4.00.051.....could there possibly be hope for the hold outs (or hold out) now they can purchase G4 possibly!haha

[Ryan Douglas]

You beat me to it, pplace... ;)

Please go read this announcement (http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20314).

[rjmanzuk]

Just noticed this in the News and Announcements thread for the new G4 Version release of 4.00.051.....could there possibly be hope for the hold outs (or hold out) now they can purchase G4 possibly!hahaI'll take that as a direct shot (and a hit); but please notice that the compatibility issue seems to have been resolved for Add-ons 1 and 2 (if I read correctly?). Guess I'll hang tough until all FIVE of my add-ons work with G4. If it appears I'm in no hurry, that's about right. However, once ALL add-ons are compatible, I'll go get G4 with a big grin. Leaning on the elephant DOES work. It just takes longer with KE. I suspect by the time I do that, all bets are off as to getting any rebates or discounts. Since my latest LiPO batteries are costing me $130 apiece (my tastes in airplanes are growing), that's two more batteries vs a simulator with water. Hmmm. Food for thought. :rolleyes:

[jeffpn]

C'mon rjmanzuk, the elephant just fell! They also said that 3,4, & 5 will also be released for free when available. I'll give you my personal guarantee that they will do it! Just go buy G4 already!!! :D

[pplace]

I'll take that as a direct shot (and a hit); but please notice that the compatibility issue seems to have been resolved for Add-ons 1 and 2 (if I read correctly?). Guess I'll hang tough until all FIVE of my add-ons work with G4. If it appears I'm in no hurry, that's about right. However, once ALL add-ons are compatible, I'll go get G4 with a big grin. Leaning on the elephant DOES work. It just takes longer with KE. I suspect by the time I do that, all bets are off as to getting any rebates or discounts. Since my latest LiPO batteries are costing me $130 apiece (my tastes in airplanes are growing), that's two more batteries vs a simulator with water. Hmmm. Food for thought. :rolleyes:

It was a jab...all in good taste though.

But to be honest with you.....remember the rebate is only available for a short while yet (I still have to get mine sent off and I was one of the first with G4....procrastinator yes!)

[josh0987]

And they all sang "Hallelujah" :eek: :D

[phrank]

:) Oh Joy! My favorites are back.

It feels like Christmas!

[pplace]

Did anyone else have a texture problem with the Corsair? The Corsair CS is applied wrong (like the map was rotated 90 off possibly) the "Corsair Blue" CS is just fine.....just thought I'd point it out.

Otherwise pretty cool deal....props to KE for following through with what the said.

[rjmanzuk]

C'mon rjmanzuk, the elephant just fell! They also said that 3,4, & 5 will also be released for free when available. I'll give you my personal guarantee that they will do it! Just go buy G4 already!!! :DWith my ancestors having migrated to the USA from Poland around the turn of the 19th>>20th century, persistence is in my bones ... my bride of some 45 years now calls it plain ol' stubbornness. But when 1-5 are available, I'll hire the Alleluia Chorus*, and I can have my water and drink it too. :D
* http://www.bardstown.com/~mtipton/christmas/mhallel.mid

By the way, the elephant is reeling, but not down yet. 40% does not equal 100% in my old-math books. ;)

[pplace]

again don't forget the rebate is ending SOON. Don't say we didn't warn you!! ;)

[Zelatio]

Eh, another loss for us G3.5ers...

Or another scheme to get us to buy G4.

Viva La G3!!!!

[Blade Scraper]

I'm glad i sold my add on 3&5, now i get all free! :D
Thanks KE! :)

[pplace]

Eh, another loss for us G3.5ers...

Or another scheme to get us to buy G4.

Viva La G3!!!!


What exactly is the loss? You've always had me baffled.....but now even more confused?

[Norton]

What exactly is the loss? You've always had me baffled.....but now even more confused?

Agreed, all they did was follow thru on there promise to make disks that already work for G.3 work fo G.4?

Yes I have G.3 and G.4....

[Jimmy Newton]

First of all, I'd like to thank KE for making the add-on available as a freebie. On add-on #1 however, the corsair color scheme is not properly mapped to the UV map. See thumbnail for a screen shot. The color scheme 'Corsair Blue' is properly mapped and should be made the default, if I can figure out how to do that I'll post it here.

[pplace]

First of all, I'd like to thank KE for making the add-on available as a freebie. On add-on #1 however, the corsair color scheme is not properly mapped to the UV map. See thumbnail for a screen shot.

Yup same situation I noticed.....look at post #84 (now I know it just wasn't my install)

[iflyinanh]

for some reason i could not install them. i upgraded to .051 and extracted them into C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data directory and started realflight. it shows that i have the new version but does not show the add ons.

thanks
iflyinanh

[Jimmy Newton]

I made the default color scheme 'Corsair Blue' in a round about way. What I did was save Corsair blue CS as corsair. You end up with two identical color schemes but you loose the original CS. Oh well, tomorrow I'll start on the fix for the CS. using the color scheme that was supposed to be the default, and post it to the swaps.

Goin' ta bed, it's past my bedtime.

[dhk79]

I'd say to try reloading it, as it does work on some systems.

[Haole]

Thanks KE team for setting up these planes and allowing us to download the add-ons at no charge. Very grateful for the additional fun so thanks again!

Carl

[rjmanzuk]

again don't forget the rebate is ending SOON. Don't say we didn't warn you!! ;)As I recall, May 31st, 2008 is the deadline. Gee, I wonder when the compatibility downloads of Add-ons 3-5 will be available? June 1st? Boy, am I getting jaded. Must be an election year ... with everyone I see or hear lying, cheating and stealing. Present company excepted, of course, right? :eek:

[jeffpn]

All those who are excited about the two addons we have, and the PROMISE of the others to come, stand over here. rjmanzuk, stand over there. :D THANK YOU KNIFE EDGE!!!!

[Sirus]

Thanks KE,

As more of a Heli guy, I am eagerly waiting the add-on 5 in particular, but I am very grateful for the extra flying sites

@jeffpn...
I'm standing over there with you (If I knew where there was :D )

@rjmanzuk
I am certainly finding G4 the "Best of the Bunch" - I have Aerofly Pro, Phoenix and G4. Whilst they all have their merits, I am finding that with it's digital trims and the better quality, I like the G4 over the other "Box". With regards to the actual flying, I now tend to do this exclusively on G4 as I have found it much more useful and realistic in my estimation.

The only single major criticisms I would have at this moment is regarding the Interlink...

1. I would like it more if instead of the cable being permanently in the box, it could be a plug attachment (Like USB or something similar)... That way, one could use it travelling much more easily (as I intend to be travelling from London to Panama quite regularly starting later this year). Also, it would be less upsetting when someone managed to ruin a cable, one could just buy a new one rather than replace the controller.

2. I would like at least a couple more channels on this to be able to add features on planes & Heli's.. This could be done quite cheaply, and considering the amount of planes in the Swap Pages which have flaps, brakes, afterburners etc, may be worth while....
Imagine having two dials, one for flaps and one for brakes.. Then having retracts, afterburner and a 3-pos for the variable geometry wing, along with reverse thrust... (I just tried out Concorde, the 747 and a few other interesting planes last night in chase mode and saw just how useful this would be).
I rest my case.

3. I would like a slightly better smoothness on the sticks. This may be difficult - however, I have had PC joysticks, and currently have a Saitek X52-Pro, and the difference in smoothness between the X52 and X52-Pro is very nice... It can be done for only a small price increase.

4. Although it has now been quite well publicised here, I think that the "Turning the spring round" for a Heli Box should be "Sanctioned" by KE and maybe included in future manuals. This was in my case a life-saver as I simply hated anything less than perfect landings, and with that 'Orrible ratchet, it just ruined them.

Once again, Thanks KE, and when you bring out a modified Interlink with extra channels and a plug at the TX end for the USB Cable, I will Buy another!!

Sirus

[MikeyTG]

Wow! Thanks for releasing Add-ons 1 & 2 to G4 owners for FREE! You have made me a loyal customer, anyone who asks me about what sim to buy will only get one answer... RealFlight

[housedad]

I"d also like to say thank you Knife Edge, and all the folks that made it happen!!!! I now have some favorite planes that I can fly in G4!!!!



Bion

[rjmanzuk]

All those who are excited about the two addons we have, and the PROMISE of the others to come, stand over here. rjmanzuk, stand over there. :D THANK YOU KNIFE EDGE!!!!Brrrrr ... feeling the big chill. sure is quiet over here on this side of the line. :D

[Ryan Douglas]

First of all, I'd like to thank KE for making the add-on available as a freebie. On add-on #1 however, the corsair color scheme is not properly mapped to the UV map. See thumbnail for a screen shot. The color scheme 'Corsair Blue' is properly mapped and should be made the default, if I can figure out how to do that I'll post it here.
The Corsair only ships with one color scheme: Corsair Blue. I think what you guys are seeing is a color scheme that you've imported from somewhere else that was not designed for the AO1 Corsair, and that's why it doesn't look right.

The reason that incorrect color scheme is showing up as the default is that the Corsair doesn't have a default color scheme specified, so the first time that aircraft is loaded the sim chooses the first color scheme in the list--which is sorted alphabetically--and displays that one.

This should only be an issue the first time you load the aircraft. After that, the sim should remember which color scheme you used last. That means you don't need to jump through any hoops to change the default. Just select Corsair Blue and you'll be all set until/unless you reset defaults from the Launcher or reinstall the sim.

[Ryan Douglas]

for some reason i could not install them. i upgraded to .051 and extracted them into C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data directory and started realflight. it shows that i have the new version but does not show the add ons.

thanks
iflyinanh
Please follow these instructions (http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9663) and I'll see if I can figure out what's happening.

Note that the Add-Ons aircraft appear at the bottom of the selection dialogs, as shown in the attached screenshot.

[pplace]

The Corsair only ships with one color scheme: Corsair Blue. I think what you guys are seeing is a color scheme that you've imported from somewhere else that was not designed for the AO1 Corsair, and that's why it doesn't look right.

The reason that incorrect color scheme is showing up as the default is that the Corsair doesn't have a default color scheme specified, so the first time that aircraft is loaded the sim chooses the first color scheme in the list--which is sorted alphabetically--and displays that one.

This should only be an issue the first time you load the aircraft. After that, the sim should remember which color scheme you used last. That means you don't need to jump through any hoops to change the default. Just select Corsair Blue and you'll be all set until/unless you reset defaults from the Launcher or reinstall the sim.

Yup.....never thought of that. That is the problem. I'm betting dhk79's corsair has a CS named "Corsair" so ultimately we can blame everything on dhk79!haha

Thanks for pointing that out Ryan

[rjmanzuk]

Wow! Thanks for releasing Add-ons 1 & 2 to G4 owners for FREE! You have made me a loyal customer, anyone who asks me about what sim to buy will only get one answer... RealFlightOne or two of us might wonder why we "loyal customers" PAID for all five add-ons, AND G3.x, and others who waited until G4 get the add-ons free. And then learned that we would have to pay again for G4, only then our add-ons wouldn't work(until recently and "soon" ... as soon as the rebate clock runs out, I suspect). Others might not wonder ... they probably know (PT Barnum had a saying, as I recall ... something about something being born every minute ... or something).

OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.

[josh0987]

One or two of us might wonder why we "loyal customers" PAID for all five add-ons, AND G3.x, and others who waited until G4 get the add-ons free. And then learned that we would have to pay again for G4, only then our add-ons wouldn't work(until recently and "soon" ... as soon as the rebate clock runs out, I suspect). Others might not wonder ... they probably know (PT Barnum had a saying, as I recall ... something about something being born every minute ... or something).

OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.You do know you can get G4 practically free with the rebate.. not to mention the add ons.. another free $130 worth


wooo! 700 posts (LOL)

[phrank]

Wow!

Damned if they don't..... Damned if they do......
Someone will always find a reason to kick a gifthorse in the mouth.
I guess that explains the behavior of those who crap on the Swap Pages.

:confused:

[pplace]

One or two of us might wonder why we "loyal customers" PAID for all five add-ons, AND G3.x, and others who waited until G4 get the add-ons free. And then learned that we would have to pay again for G4, only then our add-ons wouldn't work(until recently and "soon" ... as soon as the rebate clock runs out, I suspect). Others might not wonder ... they probably know (PT Barnum had a saying, as I recall ... something about something being born every minute ... or something).

OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.

Wow....I truly am amazed. I've never thought bad...nor good about you as a member. (I guess you've never really stuck out as a member for me to make any opinion on) but with you being an "elder" I wouldn't have said anything derogatory against you anyways (it's the way I was brought up).......

But now....come on seriously? You make a big stink about not upgrading to G4 until they solve the add ons issue. Now they solve it....and make it free (since it was the only way they could make it work) and again you are putting up a big stink? Seriously WOW!

I only wish now that KE would have made it so you would have to re-purchase the new "updated" add ons that are compatible with G4 (in addition to the previous G2 - G3.5 add ons).....would that be better??? Damn....as a business owner myself I feel for KE.....damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Edit: phrank beat me to the damed if you do part!! (Glad to think like phrank does)

[dfennell]

I have purchased Realfight G2 / G3 and now G4 plus the add-ons and expansion packs. The only way this product will continue to improve is buy revenue generation. It’s a great product I look forward to the new releases. Better get used to it as I was disappointed that G4 was still DirectX 9. So guess what….. G5 maybe…. Can’t wait to get a version based on DirectX 10.



One or two of us might wonder why we "loyal customers" PAID for all five add-ons, AND G3.x, and others who waited until G4 get the add-ons free. And then learned that we would have to pay again for G4, only then our add-ons wouldn't work(until recently and "soon" ... as soon as the rebate clock runs out, I suspect). Others might not wonder ... they probably know (PT Barnum had a saying, as I recall ... something about something being born every minute ... or something).

OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.

[rjmanzuk]

Not "damning" anybody ... just commenting. A few of us just don't have the unlimited funding that many of us might; and this is an expensive hobby, as all members realize, I'm sure. No offense intended. Guess some skins are just thinner than others. And, you'll note that I promised: OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.
So, I will.

[housedad]

Why all the bitter grapes? Knife Edge has provided support to a dead product as a gesture of good faith to its customers. This particular situation is very different than the sofware industry standard method of distribution and support.

The Gift of the repackaged add ons is just that - a gift. I Bought G3 and G4 and the add ons and the expansions. Each is a different product, and marketed as such.

There is no way I ever expected them to make the add ons available once they had decided to make the newer systems (expansions and G4) better through a different software technology. I was pleasantly suprised.

The realities of software design and marketing generally do not allow the time and R&D for that.

I applaud them their efforts to satisfy their customers. Would that all companies were this good.

Bion Rogers

[rjmanzuk]

You do know you can get G4 practically free with the rebate.. not to mention the add ons.. another free $130 worth
wooo! 700 posts (LOL)Going to break my promise, and whine just a little more. G4 costs roughly $200 at any "store" I can find. Since I purchased G3 long before 1 May 2007, the rebate limits me to either $75 in merchandise, or $30 in cash. And I ALREADY spent the $130 on the 5 add-ons ... so I can't see your conclusion, Josh. At BEST, insofar as cash out of pocket, that's at least $170 for G4 if I take the cash rebate. $125 for G4 if I elect to spend that $75 on other merchandise, which STILL is $200 out-of-pocket. That's a significant hit to anyone that doesn't have a paycheck or an allowance coming in.

[pplace]

Going to break my promise, and whine just a little more. G4 costs roughly $200 at any "store" I can find. Since I purchased G3 long before 1 May 2007, the rebate limits me to either $75 in merchandise, or $30 in cash. And I ALREADY spent the $130 on the 5 add-ons ... so I can't see your conclusion, Josh. At BEST, insofar as cash out of pocket, that's at least $170 for G4 if I take the cash rebate. $125 for G4 if I elect to spend that $75 on other merchandise, which STILL is $200 out-of-pocket. That's a significant hit to anyone that doesn't have a paycheck or an allowance coming in.

I'll let opjose explain it in detail but here's my short version:

Tower sells G4 for $200 usually you get a $20 "certificate" with no shipping included

so now the figure is $180....take the $75 "rebate" and buy yourself a couple Exp Packs (I'm waiting for 5 to release myself)

so the figure is still technically at $180 (but you are getting $75 worth of stuff you didn't have to pay "out of pocket" for) some will say the figure is now $105 (but I'll take your side on this one)

Then remember you can still sell your G3 (and now your add ons also) and get $100 or more (I've heard of others selling G3 for nearly $100....throw in all the add ons and you could get $150 or so? Leaving you with $30 left out of your pocket?....not a bad deal? I personally kept my G3 and the add ons...and brought them down to my business.

So all in all it's honestly a pretty fair deal if you work it right.

[Ryan Douglas]

One or two of us might wonder why we "loyal customers" PAID for all five add-ons, AND G3.x, and others who waited until G4 get the add-ons free. And then learned that we would have to pay again for G4, only then our add-ons wouldn't work(until recently and "soon" ... as soon as the rebate clock runs out, I suspect). Others might not wonder ... they probably know (PT Barnum had a saying, as I recall ... something about something being born every minute ... or something).

OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.

Our hope is that you got your money's worth out of those Add-Ons by using them all this time. Would you prefer to have never had them in G3 at all and waited until G4 to get them for free?

We haven't said it in as many words, but this is basically the end of the road for the original Add-Ons content. We are releasing them as-is and will not be updating them any further. They are very old products--Add-Ons 1 & 2 came out roughly ten years ago--and although they contain some desirable aircraft, the art doesn't really measure up to current standards. The existing versions were never going to work with G4. We could have just left it at that. Instead we decided to give them away. Sure, if you already own all five Add-Ons that isn't as big a benefit for you as it is for somebody who never bought them. But when compared to the only other option--not having them in G4 at all--isn't it preferable?

I have no way of knowing, but I don't suspect there are very many people who are waiting to buy G4 until all five of the Add-Ons are released. (Yes, I'm aware of at least two. ;)) I don't see how it would make good business sense to try stringing people along as you are suggesting. If you want to wait until they're all available before purchasing G4 then you are certainly free to do so, and until our recent announcement I might have even done the same thing in your place since we hadn't said very much yet. But now we have announced our intent and even released the first two out of five. Any correlation with the ending date of the rebate is purely coincidental.

Incidentally, I just went and looked at the rebate form to verify what you said earlier and you actually need to purchase G4 before April 30; the May 31 deadline is only for submission of the rebate. I will tell you with near certainty that all five Add-Ons will not be released before that cutoff. But from where I sit I can also tell you with complete certainty that they will all be released. I would humbly suggest that if you are interested in G4 that you purchase it in time to take advantage of the rebate. If not, you still have the Add-Ons for G3; we haven't taken those away.

[Ryan Douglas]

pplace did a good job describing the course of action that we recommend to G3/G3.5 users looking to upgrade to G4.

[josh0987]

Going to break my promise, and whine just a little more. G4 costs roughly $200 at any "store" I can find. Since I purchased G3 long before 1 May 2007, the rebate limits me to either $75 in merchandise, or $30 in cash. And I ALREADY spent the $130 on the 5 add-ons ... so I can't see your conclusion, Josh. At BEST, insofar as cash out of pocket, that's at least $170 for G4 if I take the cash rebate. $125 for G4 if I elect to spend that $75 on other merchandise, which STILL is $200 out-of-pocket. That's a significant hit to anyone that doesn't have a paycheck or an allowance coming in.I didn't even bother with the rebate or anything.. Just got G4 and I am happy with my $220 purchase.



Some things just aren't good enough for some people..

[tclaridge]

Well that does it, I'm getting G4 since they are converting the add-ons. Off to my LHS! I don't mind paying money for good value. This sim is worth it!

[38Super]

This is a FANTASTIC response from Knifeedge. More than could reasonably be expected and, I'm sure, much aprreciated by all.

Thanks

[iflyinanh]

Please follow these instructions (http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9663) and I'll see if I can figure out what's happening.

Note that the Add-Ons aircraft appear at the bottom of the selection dialogs, as shown in the attached screenshot.

I ran the system dignostics please help i never had G3 and am very
happy to have these ad-ons FOR FREE. All of you whining, your getting a gift just think about it as if your old add ons now have compatibilty for G4. Everyone who has G3 still has the add-ons knifeedge did not take them away. so please stop whining.

[rjmanzuk]

This is a FANTASTIC response from Knifeedge. More than could reasonably be expected and, I'm sure, much appreciated by all.
ThanksCouldn't have said it better myself, 38Super.

Thanks, Ryan ... for caring enough about the customer comments to respond. That's pretty rare in today's marketplace, unfortunately; and I'm among the MANY who appreciate the KE way of doing things.

As with tclaridge, no doubt I'll be buying before the 30 April drop-dead date. I really DO love G3.5, and it appears from MOST comments, G4 is worth the upgrade cost. Gotta keep those software geniuses gainfully employed.

[phrank]

I ran the system dignostics please help i never had G3 and am very
happy to have these ad-ons FOR FREE. All of you whining, your getting a gift just think about it as if your old add ons now have compatibilty for G4. Everyone who has G3 still has the add-ons knifeedge did not take them away. so please stop whining.

Nicholas, your problem lies here:


Directory of C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data

04/07/2008 09:04 PM <DIR> .
04/07/2008 09:04 PM <DIR> ..
10/17/2007 11:25 AM 52,995,013 RFV4AUTO.dck
04/02/2008 03:08 AM 3,132,962 RFV4UP1.dck
10/17/2007 11:10 AM 628,679,839 RFV4_1.dck
10/17/2007 11:16 AM 669,998,396 RFV4_2.dck
10/17/2007 11:22 AM 669,918,022 RFV4_3.dck
10/17/2007 11:25 AM 113,357,299 RFV4_4.dck
6 File(s) 2,138,081,531 bytes


The instructions called for extracting the contents of the download into this directory.

For each file downloaded above:
Locate the file on your disk.
Unzip the file. If you have Windows XP or Vista, you can just double-click it.
Extract the .zip file's contents to your C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data directory.

[doug schluter]

Thanks to Knifeedge for making the addons work for G4, as i ordered my G4 last Friday can't wait to try it out,it's been a good experience all round with Knifeedge.

[iflyinanh]

Nicholas, your problem lies here:


Directory of C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data

04/07/2008 09:04 PM <DIR> .
04/07/2008 09:04 PM <DIR> ..
10/17/2007 11:25 AM 52,995,013 RFV4AUTO.dck
04/02/2008 03:08 AM 3,132,962 RFV4UP1.dck
10/17/2007 11:10 AM 628,679,839 RFV4_1.dck
10/17/2007 11:16 AM 669,998,396 RFV4_2.dck
10/17/2007 11:22 AM 669,918,022 RFV4_3.dck
10/17/2007 11:25 AM 113,357,299 RFV4_4.dck
6 File(s) 2,138,081,531 bytes


The instructions called for extracting the contents of the download into this directory.

where did i put it?

[phrank]

Only you can answer that question. ;)

[iflyinanh]

when i started if left the spaces in and windows gave me an error mssage so i took the spaces out, could this be the problem?

[Ryan Douglas]

It's hard to say where it might have gone, but it certainly appears that you did not place it in the correct location.

Do you have UAC enabled in Vista? If so, you might try disabling that temporarily while you copy these files into place. I don't think that's what's causing the problem, though.

[Ryan Douglas]

Thanks for the kind words, rjmanzuk. "Software geniuses"... I should print that out and hang it on my wall. ;)

[iflyinanh]

O.K., I took screen shots of exactly what i did, everytime the screen changed i took a screen shot, sorry the shots are so large, i made the last two smaller

[josh0987]

Take out Directory!!!!!!

It should be C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data

[Ryan Douglas]

I see what might be causing the problem. Instead of trying to extract the files to "C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data directory", try removing the word directory so it looks like this: "C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data". If that still fails, try enclosing it in quotes like I did.

Alternatively, you can click the Browse button it gives you and navigate your way to the desired directory.

[iflyinanh]

Take out Directory!!!!!!

It should be C:\Program Files\RealFlightG4\Data
Thanks that did the trick. thank you for every one who helped me and for such a fast response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[Kmot]

Knife Edge: You guys ROCK!! :cool:

Thanks a bunch! :D

[jeffpn]

Hey, Iflyinanh, when you were a little kid and the teacher said, "Okay everyone, repeat after me - I (state your name) do promise..." did you actually say 'state your name?' :D :D

[rjmanzuk]

Thanks for the kind words, rjmanzuk. "Software geniuses"... I should print that out and hang it on my wall. ;)Back a couple of years ago, before retirement, I spent about 45 years in the aerospace and defense industry as an engineer and programs manager. during my final 10 years or so, I was privileged to participate in one of the most successful unmanned air vehicle (UAV) programs in modern history ... the RQ\MQ-1 Predator program. I know the true genius of software engineers, and appreciate all that they do (although those working for Microsoft might not command the same respect that those with KnifeEdge do). I think you guys and gals are great, and deserve a standing ovation for this simulator family.

[cfossa]

Once again, Knife Edge proves to be a stand-up company. Thanks! I bought all five of these add-ons along the way, and I'm glad to have them back in G4.

Carl

[Zelatio]

What exactly is the loss? You've always had me baffled.....but now even more confused?

The loss here described by rjm is that I paid for all 5 addons, and now others are getting them free. I don't understand how people are questioning our thoughts on this. I paid for it, now it's free... That's like paying for a computer and then several months later having them given out for free.

It's pretty much like Apple. Murder the early adopters and deliver the final goods later to the not-so-dedicated supporters later.

But as stated earlier. I'm not bitter about any of this. As you guys know I am opinionated, and I feel the need to share my opinion. Sorry if it doesn't match yours.

Happy flying to you all, I don't hold grudges with anyone around here, I like you all and love this forum.

[jeffpn]

One or two of us might wonder why we "loyal customers" PAID for all five add-ons, AND G3.x, and others who waited until G4 get the add-ons free. And then learned that we would have to pay again for G4, only then our add-ons wouldn't work(until recently and "soon" ... as soon as the rebate clock runs out, I suspect). Others might not wonder ... they probably know (PT Barnum had a saying, as I recall ... something about something being born every minute ... or something).

OK. I'll stop whining. I'd rather be flying.
Oh, where to begin? First off, I had fun poking some jabs at you earlier. I meant no harm or offense, only humor. I don't even think that any offense was taken. I never thought that you seriously thought that you and you alone (oops there was one other) could convince KE to make the addons work in G4. Now I see I was wrong. Now they offer them for free, and you are complaining again because some people will get the addons for free that they never bought? (Matthew 20:1-16 (http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=3941) with particular emphasis on the second part of verse 15.) The addons were developed for G2. The fact that they worked in G3 is a bonus. I am sure that you paid what was in your opinion a fair price for the addons. If you didn't think so, you wouldn't have bought them. I guess I'm a fool for paying for all 5 addons, then. Boy, KE/GP really got one over on me! Where did you get the idea that we would have to pay again for G4? I voluntarily bought my copy of G4. I even knew that the addons didn't work. I don't have a money tree in my back yard. I got good use out of the addons, and I felt it was time to move on. And for your conspiracy theory that the addons availability was timed to be after the rebate expired... that's just plain wrong. You don't even need the post that Ryan made to tell you that. I knew for an absolute fact months ago that when KE said that the addons would work, that that would happen. Not a doubt in my mind. Didn't know when it would happen, but KE's word is as good as gold to me or anyone else around here. You can take that to the bank. How old are you? Did you ever buy an album on one medium, only to have that media disappear? In other words, did you buy an album on 8-track, and then have to buy that same album again on cassette because you could no longer buy an eight track player? For me, I started buying records. Then, I rebought my favorite albums on CD. It's advances in technology. If your official addons are that important to you, keep your G3.

[Zelatio]

And for your conspiracy theory that the addons availability was timed to be after the rebate expired... that's just plain wrong. You don't even need the post that Ryan made to tell you that.

Did you ever buy an album on one medium, only to have that media disappear? In other words, did you buy an album on 8-track, and then have to buy that same album again on cassette because you could no longer buy an eight track player? For me, I started buying records. Then, I rebought my favorite albums on CD. It's advances in technology. If addons are that important to you, keep your G3.

Conspiracy theory? Try something called profit. KE may be a nice honest company, but things like this happen all the time. It's called making money, and company's sometimes do these things to make money.

Yea, 8-track to cassette, yikes, $8 for the new copy. G4 is a little more than $8.

[jeffpn]

Yea, 8-track to cassette, yikes, $8 for the new copy. G4 is a little more than $8.
I knew that point would be made. I probably upgraded at least 20 if not 30 albums to CD, and they were $18-20 at that time. Significantly more than $8. company's sometimes do these things to make money.Yep and sometimes companies give FREE 3.5 Updates, FREE heli updates, and FREE 1903 Wright Flyers. (And for some, FREE Addons :p )It's not always about just making money.

[Blade Scraper]

Zelatio, why not sell your add ons when you obtain G4? I sold mine on rcuniverse.com/market and they went very quick. The safest most user friendly RC swap site ever.

Just put it up, add picture, and give a good desricption.

[rjmanzuk]

In response to Jeff's suggestion, and with full apologies to Matthew, the evangelist:

Madman 20:1-16 (New San Diego Version)

The Parable of the Buyers of the Simulator

1"For the kingdom of heaven is like a software developer who went out early in the morning to find customers to buy his R/F G4. 2He agreed to charge them a denarius for the package and sent them into their LHS or online to get it.

3"About the third month he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4He told them, 'You also go and buy my simulator, and I will charge you whatever is right.' 5So they went.

"He went out again about the sixth month and the ninth month and did the same thing. 6About the eleventh month he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?'

7" 'Because no one has figured out how to make the G3.5 add-ons compatible,' they answered.
"He said to them, 'You also go and buy my simulator.'

8"When evening came, the owner of the KnifeEdge said to his foreman, 'Call the customers and collect their payments, beginning with the last ones sold (now with the compatible add-ons) and going on to the first.'

9"The customers who purchased about the eleventh month came and each paid a denarius. 10So when those came who purchased first, they expected to receive more for their money or be charged less. But each one of them also were charged a denarius. 11When they paid it, they began to grumble against the software developer. 12'These men who bought last waited only one month,' they said, 'and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.'

13"But he answered one of them, 'Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn't you agree to buy for a denarius? 14Take your receipt and go. I want to give the man who bought last the same as I gave you. 15Don't I have the right to do what I want with my own product? Or are you envious because I am generous?'

16"So the last will be first, and the first will be last."

Seems about right, Jeff. Good choice of biblical references.

[jeffpn]

Okay, rjmanzuk, you got me laughing. That's a good one! :D

[frontman]

I have to laugh when people whine about paying for updates or new products. Don't buy a GPS unit. If you want updated street maps you pay for them. I pay $75.00 for a new map of the US. And they are paving new streets all the time.

I bought all the Realflights and add-ons, sold them and now have G4. I will buy the next version too. I've owned a couple of the other RC flight sims, wasn't impressed with them, sold them too.

[rjmanzuk]

Okay, rjmanzuk, you got me laughing. That's a good one! :DLaughing is good for the soul, and good for the body as well as the mind. Even frontman "has to laugh", although I don't think laughing at someone is quite as cathartic as laughing with them.

Good winds,
Bob,
aka

[cfossa]

The loss here described by rjm is that I paid for all 5 addons, and now others are getting them free. I don't understand how people are questioning our thoughts on this. I paid for it, now it's free... That's like paying for a computer and then several months later having them given out for free.

It's pretty much like Apple. Murder the early adopters and deliver the final goods later to the not-so-dedicated supporters later.

But as stated earlier. I'm not bitter about any of this. As you guys know I am opinionated, and I feel the need to share my opinion. Sorry if it doesn't match yours.

Happy flying to you all, I don't hold grudges with anyone around here, I like you all and love this forum.

I've got to disagree with regards to "murder the early adopters." I bought these add-ons and got my money's worth of use long ago. Heck, most of the software (especially games) I bought 5-10 years ago is now either not available or on the $5 rack at WalMart! It's not like they are giving them away after only 6 months or a year ... the add-ons have been on the market for a very long time for a software product.

I for one am glad to see that KE keeps improving the product and responds to customer requests such as making the legacy add-ons compatible with their new simulator.

No ... I am not affiliated with KE. Just a satisfied suctomer.

Carl

[Law]

No ... I am not affiliated with KE. Just a satisfied suctomer.

Carl


It's alright, I guess we've all been suctomers at one time or another. :D

[mvzuilekom]

Hi All,

I think It's a good thing KE gives their customers the Add-on's for free. As was said by others, the products are quite old.
I own 5 top simulators, and with at least one of them, Add-on's older than a year are automaticly included with that simulator for new customers. So, people complaining in this forum might actually be better of with Realflight than with other simulators...?
(On the other sim, I already "lost" > € 75,- which might turn up to be getting to > € 150,- since their add-on's came in rapid succession...... But, I gain with G4 since KE does the same, be it much older stuff.)

I for one am a proud owner of (now) G4, it is the number 1 of my 5 simulators...

-Marco.

[mvzuilekom]

Hi All,

I took a look at the different add-on's. It seems that the not yet released free versions of add-on's 3 to 5 are much nicer than 1 and 2. As a heli pilot myself I agree with others that we are still looking foreward to the next 3 add-on's...! :)

-Marco.

[pplace]

I'll let opjose explain it in detail but here's my short version:

Tower sells G4 for $200 usually you get a $20 "certificate" with no shipping included

so now the figure is $180....take the $75 "rebate" and buy yourself a couple Exp Packs (I'm waiting for 5 to release myself)

so the figure is still technically at $180 (but you are getting $75 worth of stuff you didn't have to pay "out of pocket" for) some will say the figure is now $105 (but I'll take your side on this one)

Then remember you can still sell your G3 (and now your add ons also) and get $100 or more (I've heard of others selling G3 for nearly $100....throw in all the add ons and you could get $150 or so? Leaving you with $30 left out of your pocket?....not a bad deal? I personally kept my G3 and the add ons...and brought them down to my business.

So all in all it's honestly a pretty fair deal if you work it right.

Also another scenario some people might be interested in doing:

Take your version of G3 - G3.5 and any additional add ons you may have and DONATE them to a local flying club (for training purposes) or more feasibly DONATE it to your local High School! Then you can take the "market value" for these items and use them as a deduction on your taxes. Everyone comes out a winner. You can hopefully get the younger generation into flying for no cost!

I know when I was in school there were certain classes / courses that would deal with such stuff. (Kinda like industrial arts) but the teacher was very open to many new things.....Microsoft flight sim was one of the courses you could actually take.

Just throwing this option out for some....possibly you haven't filed your taxes yet (better hurry on that anyways) Help others....while helping yourself...how good could it get?! :)

[gyronuts]

Many thanks for resolving the addons issue. Keep up the good work . Bill

[jeffpn]

Hushed voice: It's not a resolution, it's a bonus

[Law]

Hushed voice: It's not a resolution, it's a bonus

Non hushed voice: It's NOT a bonus! It's what they said they would do when they annouced the release of G4;

10/18/2007;
"... We are still looking into some way of making these packs available to RealFlight G4 customers."

11/26/2007;
"FYI, we are still working through some issues regarding Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4. Please be patient. We'll make an announcement when we are ready."

01/18/2008;
"We haven't forgotten about them. That's all I can say at this point."

02/06/2008;
"We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned.

03/04/2008;
"Almost there..."

Sounds to me like they'd planned to make the Add-Ons available to G4 customers. How can that be concluded as a "bonus"?

[Adam Taylor]

Sounds to me like they'd planned to make the Add-Ons available to G4 customers. How can that be concluded as a "bonus"?

The price is right.

[opjose]

Non hushed voice: It's NOT a bonus!

It's what they said they would do when they annouced the release of G4;



So that would make it a "feature'...

Since it was added after the release, maybe a "bonus feature"?

[pplace]

Sounds to me like they'd planned to make the Add-Ons available to G4 customers. How can that be concluded as a "bonus"?

I imagine they were initially planning on making the add ons compatible (using the actual cd) As this is what the customers asked for......"I paid for my add ons and now I can't use them??" Was the average statement.

In the process KE decided it wasn't do-able without re-doing them completely......in order to still get the add ons in G4 they decided to give them away for free download.

So yes it could be considered a bonus......as nobody expected that. Everyone assumed that you would have to use your already purchased add ons. If you didn't have a certain add on....you wouldn't get the use of it in G4.

So bonus it is

[rjmanzuk]

So that would make it a "feature'...
Since it was added after the release, maybe a "bonus feature"?Somewhere in my (very) jaded past, I remember some advice a really good boss gave me about product marketing: "If you can't fix it, feature it!"

[as a side note, with a lot of help from this forum, and KE's pledge to give me add-ons 3-5 in addition to 1+2, I bit the bullet yesterday and ordered my G4]. That will raise some grins, guffaws, and perhaps even snarls ... but, it's time to join you all in your complete satisfaction ( :confused: ) with what G4 offers over G3.5. I sure hope you're right in your recommendations. :rolleyes:

[Blade Scraper]

The price is right.
Now we have 2 dancing Marios. :D :D

[Law]

I imagine they were initially planning on making the add ons compatible (using the actual cd) As this is what the customers asked for......"I paid for my add ons and now I can't use them??" Was the average statement.

In the process KE decided it wasn't do-able without re-doing them completely......in order to still get the add ons in G4 they decided to give them away for free download.

So yes it could be considered a bonus......as nobody expected that. Everyone assumed that you would have to use your already purchased add ons. If you didn't have a certain add on....you wouldn't get the use of it in G4.

So bonus it is

I can go along with that - it's a bonus because it's now free - not because they "added" them - since it appears that they always had planned to make them available to G4 customers.

[jeffpn]

it appears that they always had planned to make them available to G4 customers.They were designed for G2, and the later ones with G3 in mind. They were never designed for G4. That's why I consider them to be a bonus.

[josh0987]

Come on... the add ons are ten years old! Why should KE even bother with 10 year old software? AND why whine about it?

[Law]

They were designed for G2, and the later ones with G3 in mind. They were never designed for G4. That's why I consider them to be a bonus.

Come on... the add ons are ten years old! Why should KE even bother with 10 year old software? AND why whine about it?.

What does that have to do with the fact that KnifeEdge said that they were going to make the Add-Ons available to G4 users when they announced the release of G4?

Did you not believe what KE was saying? ... Now I see, you thought KnifeEdge was just lying to you again and they'd never make the Add-ons available, so that makes them a bonus in your minds. You really need to stop thinking of KE that way. They're usually pretty good about following through when they say they're going to do something. :rolleyes: :D

[josh0987]

What does that have to do with the fact that KnifeEdge said that they were going to make the Add-Ons available to G4 users when they announced the release of G4?

Did you not believe what KE was saying? ... Now I see, you thought KnifeEdge was just lying to you again and they'd never make the Add-ons available, so that makes them a bonus in your minds. You really need to stop thinking of KE that way. They're usually pretty good about following through when they say they're going to do something. :rolleyes: :DNext time, speak for yourself.

[CaptCrunch]

Tower hobbies makes add-on 1 & 2 available for free download.
http://www.realflight.com/free-g4-add-ons.html

[jeffpn]

What does that have to do with the fact that KnifeEdge said that they were going to make the Add-Ons available to G4 users when they announced the release of G4?

Did you not believe what KE was saying? ... Now I see, you thought KnifeEdge was just lying to you again and they'd never make the Add-ons available, so that makes them a bonus in your minds. You really need to stop thinking of KE that way. They're usually pretty good about following through when they say they're going to do something. :rolleyes: :D
Why do I have to say things a million different ways to you? Since they were never designed for G4, KE was not obligated to redo them for G4. Now of course, once they announced that they will make them work for G4, then they're obligated to make them work. That's just good business sense. I agree with you there. And of course I believed KE when they said they'd make them work. You may have missed that very statement in other posts of mine. So, don't put words in my mouth. I have never known KE to lie, and there is no reason to doubt them on this or any other issue. How exactly do you know in what way I think of KE? You really do tend to twist other users statements alot, and assume things that are not true. And you did it again.

[Blade Scraper]

Why can't we all just ignor Law? It's so stupid how things go with him. :mad:

[josh0987]

Why can't we all just ignor Law? It's so stupid how things go with him. :mad:Yeap, this is possible on vBulletin. just hit the ignore button on the users profile :D

[Blade Scraper]

Yeap, this is possible on vBulletin. just hit the ignore button on the users profile :D
Use the report post button also.

[josh0987]

Use the report post button also.If you really have to, I guess.

[rjmanzuk]

Use the report post button also.For the report post to be effective, stay within the KE groundrules for that tactic: "Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.I don't agree that Law's dissension in his expressed opinions necessarily fall into those groundrules ... at least not for me. I don't have to agree with him, but he DOES have the right to epress his opinion ... and if I disagree with him enough, I can use the other recommended tactic, and simply put him and his message traffic under my blacklist. Me? I sorta like to hear what he has to say, whether or not I agree with him. Just my $0.02. :(

[Law]

Why do I have to say things a million different ways to you? Since they were never designed for G4, KE was not obligated to redo them for G4. Now of course, once they announced that they will make them work for G4, then they're obligated to make them work. That's just good business sense. I agree with you there. And of course I believed KE when they said they'd make them work. You may have missed that very statement in other posts of mine. So, don't put words in my mouth. I have never known KE to lie, and there is no reason to doubt them on this or any other issue. How exactly do you know in what way I think of KE? You really do tend to twist other users statements alot, and assume things that are not true. And you did it again.

I agree that the Add-Ons were created for G2 and G3 and that they're old technology. But, KE "obligated" themselves to make them available to G4 user when they released G4 and said; "... We are still looking into some way of making these packs available to RealFlight G4 customers."

If during these past several months they'd indicated any intentions or findings to the contrary then I could agree that they "might" not be forthcoming. But, every indication was that they were "working" on making them available.

So, my point is - How could anyone consider the making of them available as a bonus? It's something that KE has obligated themselves to do for months!

Of course, for those of you who still consider then a "bonus" ... congratulations, your low expectations have been fulfilled.

[Law]

Use the report post button also.

I'm sensing a little antagonism on your part Blade Scrapper. I can't help but wonder where it's coming from. Have I said something?

[r1derbike]

Added value, bonus, freebie, courtesy, extra, gift horse, call it these and more.

The bottom line is KE/GP have given more to keep customers happy (even the unhappy ones) than any other companies I may recently remember.

It just seems ludicrous, that everytime KE/GP releases anything free for its users, the scoffing, whining, and foot stomping goes out of control.

Methinks some infants didn't get their little bottoms powdered enough, long ago...

I remember KE saying numerous times that their operations/development is done per prioritization. Obviously cash flow (as in any business) is at the top of the heap.

The free releases make good customer service sense. They have kept me coming back since the release of G3.

I don't know what else to say? Some would gripe about free stuff if they were hung with a new rope?

Charles

[josh0987]

I agree that the Add-Ons were created for G2 and G3 and that they're old technology. But, KE "obligated" themselves to make them available to G4 user when they released G4 and said; "... We are still looking into some way of making these packs available to RealFlight G4 customers."

If during these past several months they'd indicated any intentions or findings to the contrary then I could agree that they "might" not be forthcoming. But, every indication was that they were "working" on making them available.

So, my point is - How could anyone consider the making of them available as a bonus? It's something that KE has obligated themselves to do for months!

Of course, for those of you who still consider then a "bonus" ... congratulations, your low expectations have been fulfilled. KE was NEVER obligated to making add ons compatible.

[jeffpn]

KE was NEVER obligated to making add ons compatible.
What my buddy Law was saying is that once KE obligated themselves to make the addons compatible by saying that they would, they were obligated. :confused: :confused: :confused:

Can you tell the difference between the following quotes? Since they were never designed for G4, KE was not obligated to redo them for G4. Now of course, once they announced that they will make them work for G4, then they're obligated to make them work.I agree that the Add-Ons were created for G2 and G3 and that they're old technology. But, KE "obligated" themselves to make them available to G4 user when they released G4 and said; "... We are still looking into some way of making these packs available to RealFlight G4 customers."Actually, announcing an intention to try to do something does not obligate one to get it done.

Law, do you get it yet that we were both saying pretty much the same thing?

[Law]

Jeff, the only point of contention that I see between what you're saying and what I'm saying is that even though KE obligated themselves (if that's your position) to make the Add-Ons available to G4 Users, you consider them a "bonus".

Your position from the beginning was that you considered the making of the Add-Ons to work with G4 as a bonus. Yet, now you seem to be contradicting yourself. Even in your last post you contradict yourself.

In one statement you say: "...once they announced that they will make them work for G4, then they're obligated to make them work.

And, then in your next statement you say: "... announcing an intention to try to do something does not obligate one to get it done."

Which do you proport to be your position, that they announced that they would "try"? Or, that they obligated themselves? :confused:

And then of course the other point of contention is how can the Add-Ons for G4 be considered a "Bonus" if KE obligated themselves to make them available when they released G4? Unless you consider the fact that they've made them a "free" download as a bonus - in which case we agree.

But, you've never said that. :confused:

[iflyinanh]

law, if i were you i would just give up. you dug yourself into such a deep hole that you will never be able to get out. And i would also stop putting words into other pepole's mouth and telling them what they were thinking.

Just my opinion

[jeffpn]

Look Law, I'm going to explain this one more time. And I'm going to type real slow so you can understand. When KE developed the addons, they were not obligated to make them compatible for G4. It didn't even exist yet. When KE developed G4, they were not obligated to make the addons compatible. Early on, KE announced that there were issues that would prevent the addons from working with G4 See this link (http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?p=93912#post93912). Jim did say that they were looking for a way to make the packs available to their G4 customers. Obligated to succeed? No, but obligated to try. So the expectation, based on his statement that the addons won't work with G4, is that the addons won't work with G4. Anything more would be a bonus. You see, if KE states that the addons won't work, and then they do, that's a bonus. If you have trouble with the defintion of bonus, look it up in your dictionary, but generally speaking, a bonus is something that you receive that was neither expected or owed. But, in Ryan's 'RealFlight Add-Ons Volumes 1 & 2 free for G4 users' thread he says that 'Add-Ons 3, 4, and 5 will also be re-packaged for G4 and released for free when they are ready.' That's, ethically speaking, an obligation to succeed. Are you still following me, or am I typing too fast? You see, when Jim said that they were looking for a way to make the addons available..., that is not an obligation to provide the addons. That is an obligation to attempt to make them work. At that point, they could have failed, and never broken a promise to us. But when Ryan said that addons 3, 4, & 5 WILL be available, that is an obligation to succeed. Is all this any clearer to you now?

[dirtyonetwo]

well then maybe they'll be concidered a bonus for me. I had only purchased addon 2 so that would mean that 1,3,4 and 5 are in fact a bonus ,at least in my case.

[jeffpn]

Jeff,
I just don't get it...
Your clear, concise summation is just too unambiguous and straightforward. Maybe a few out of context half-quotes and some deep analysis of what you were really thinking of when you wrote it will help.

What do you say?
Doug
Well, it's a good thing I have Law around to provide that analysis for me. I don't know what I was thinking! Hey, I'll go ask Law, he'll know!!!

[Law]

I appreciate the slow typing - although I probably could've read it faster then you were typing I understand that slow is the best way to get your point across. So, I'll also type slow ... Let's go back a bit, shall we? ...

In response to your post;

Hushed voice: It's not a resolution, it's a bonus

I said:

Non hushed voice: It's NOT a bonus! It's what they said they would do when they annouced the release of G4;

10/18/2007;
"... We are still looking into some way of making these packs available to RealFlight G4 customers."

11/26/2007;
"FYI, we are still working through some issues regarding Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4. Please be patient. We'll make an announcement when we are ready."

01/18/2008;
"We haven't forgotten about them. That's all I can say at this point."

02/06/2008;
"We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned.

03/04/2008;
"Almost there..."

Sounds to me like they'd planned to make the Add-Ons available to G4 customers. How can that be concluded as a "bonus"?


Now here's where we might actually agree. On 10/18/2007, when Jim said;
"... We are still looking into some way of making these packs available to RealFlight G4 customers."

I think we can both agree that he hasn't obligated KE to do anything but try to make the Add-Ons available. Feel better now? He's dangling a carrot but ... I'll concede there's no obligation, yet.

Then on 11/26/2007 when he said;
"FYI, we are still working through some issues regarding Add Ons 1-5 and RealFlight G4. Please be patient. We'll make an announcement when we are ready."

Now here I see a commintment - albeit a rather small one but a committment. They're apparently making some progress. Why else would he have continued a discussion about the Add-Ons? I happen to be of the opinion that he's at least starting to obligate KE ... That dangling carrot is getting pretty apparent by now.

Then on 01/18/2008;
"We haven't forgotten about them. That's all I can say at this point."

That obligation is either getting bigger or that carrot is - I'm of the opinion that an obligation is strongly formed at this point. You obviously disagree, I can understand that. You'd rather look at that big carrot<?> ...

By 02/06/2008 when it was reported that;
"We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned."

Add this statement in with the past one's and I see a rather firm obligation. Are you still watching the carrot? Because by this point I'm not sure how anyone could be thinking anything other then KE is about to announce that they've made the Add-Ons available for G4 Users. Do you really think that after more then three months of telling their customers that they're trying to make the Add-Ons available for G4 users that they'd come back with anything other then "... we've done it ..."? after they've just said: "We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned."<?>

Of course then on 03/04/2008, we hear;
"Almost there..."

You're still watching that carrot, aren't you? No obligation as far as your concerned! No, absolutely NOT! Of course, I understand ...

That's where we disagree.

I see KnifeEdge as obligating themselves and you don't. You therefore consider the Add-Ons a "bonus". I see the Add-Ons as what I've been promised for the past three plus months.

No harm no foul, we just disagree. ;) No reason to get angry, sarcastic, and mean about it ... or is there? :D

[Blade Scraper]

Yawns...

[pplace]

By 02/06/2008 when it was reported that;
"We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned."

Add this statement in with the past one's and I see a rather firm obligation. Are you still watching the carrot? Because by this point I'm not sure how anyone could be thinking anything other then KE is about to announce that they've made the Add-Ons available for G4 Users. Do you really think that after more then three months of telling their customers that they're trying to make the Add-Ons available for G4 users that they'd come back with anything other then "... we've done it ..."? after they've just said: "We're close to making an announcement. Stay tuned."

Law, your biggest fault as I see it: You were ASSUMING that KE's announcement was going to be "that the add ons will work". Up to that point they never leaned one way or the other (if you think they did, you were only reading into it and speculating.)

They could easily have made the announcement......"Unfortunately after 3 months of trial and error we are unable to make the add ons compatible with G4"

Plus on top of all this........WHO CARES if you call it a bonus or an obligation? (Even though it is a bonus because they are free....not because they made them compatible)

Truth of the matter..........I don't care for your forum activity Law. As far as I'm concerned, you do nothing but try and "stir" things up and always twist things around so bad that the original intent of the thread is so lost and forgotten. Traditionally in the past all you do is end up looking like a real piece of work......at least you keep a tradition going!!

[Norton]

Truth of the matter..........I don't care for your forum activity Law. As far as I'm concerned, you do nothing but try and "stir" things up and always twist things around so bad that the original intent of the thread is so lost and forgotten. Traditionally in the past all you do is end up looking like a real piece of work......at least you keep a tradition going!!

Sorry mate, not to cool.....

[pplace]

Sorry mate, not to cool.....

I first thought you meant that towards my comment?...until I read the title of your post "So true...."

[iflyinanh]

law, here is how the add-ons are a bonus knife edge was NOT i repeat not obligated to make an anouncement or obligatded to do anyhing especialy give us compatibuilty for TEN year-old sofware. i'm not even sure what your mad about you got your ad-ons so whats wrong.

[Jimmy Newton]

More taste,... Less Filling!

Repeat until your mind is numb. Remind you of this thread?

[Blade Scraper]

Do you even own Realflight? :confused:
Never hear anything of it from you.

[guest_jo]

Two weeks of ignore button now and I must say: Ah what a relief... :cool:

[r1derbike]

Minutiae.

Trite, unimportant minutiae.

Charles

[Law]

Law, your biggest fault as I see it: You were ASSUMING that KE's announcement was going to be "that the add ons will work". Up to that point they never leaned one way or the other (if you think they did, you were only reading into it and speculating.)


...




I thought that I’d made my position quite clear when I listed the chain of comments leading up to the final announcement that the Add-Ons had been made available to G4 users. I responded quite simply to a comment that jeffpn had made. Jeffpn (and others disagreed with my position because the Add-On’s were intended for G2 and G3.

I then reiterated my position that having been created for G2 and G3 did not change the fact that KE had “obligated” themselves to make the Add-Ons available for G4 ... I was then insulted by numerous contributors, and even threatened with the use of the “report button”.

Apparently anyone who doesn’t follow along and agree with the majority is fair game for any of the regular contributors feeling the need to insult or lash out. It reminds me of the grammar school playground. And, to think, I actually thought this forum was comprised of adults.

I’ve made my position clear, you obviously disagree and would rather think that I’m assuming ... even though just a few days ago you said;
“I imagine they were initially planning on making the add ons compatible (using the actual cd) As this is what the customers asked for......"I paid for my add ons and now I can't use them??" Was the average statement.”

You assummed they were planning to make the Add-Ons compatible. So did I! But when they kept telling us that they were getting close and that an announcement would be made soon, you assumed that they were going to tell us that they couldn't do it? Then apparently we disagree. No harm, no foul ...

Now you’ve decided that you “...don’t care for my forum activity ...” And other comments that don’t even deserve the time it takes to read them.

Why the insults? Why show us your lack integrity just to make a comment that has no bearing on the discussion at hand? The same goes for the rest of the lemmings. What have I said that causes “your kind” to feel such a strong need to lash out? You don’t know me. Have I said something that personally offended you? Or anyone for that matter? Or are you just reverting back to those playground bully days?

[josh0987]

You assumed they were planning to make the Add-Ons compatible.
There he goes again.. Law... STOP speaking for others.

[Blade Scraper]

Will you guys please stop giving him what he wants and stop replying to what he says! You guys are getting nowhere and ruining the thread!

[Law]

Enough is enough.
Is a mirror in order here? Law, as I recently told you directly - You get what you sow.

You currently have 72 posts on this forum. In an effort to "get to know" you, I actually went through and read all of them from end to end. Of those 72 posts, about 3 are useful, helpful, etc. The other 69 are full of bile and attacks on other members, mostly trying to twist what they previously said. That's only about a 4% humanity check, but in it I still see you have the potential to be a welcome and valued contributor on this forum. Get off your high horse, apologize to everyone for wasting their time with minutia, and join the rest of us working slobs in the enjoyment of RC..


There he goes again.. Law... STOP speaking for others.

I don't understand why you guys want to continue this little game of "bash Law", But, I'll play along ...

First off - Josh, read. That's all you need to do ... read. Oh, and understanding would be an asset as well, but, we all can't have good reading comprehension, so - just read. If you do that you'll see that I was just repeating what he had said in his quote. Who's twisting things now?

dhk79, I know that sometimes it's hard to follow along, but, we're talking about whether or not KnifeEdge obigated themselves to make the Add-Ons available to G4 users - I've posted my position. Ignore it, contradict it or even agree with it makes no difference to me.

But, don't fall into the same trap as those kids you've tried to set right. Are you telling me: "You will be assmilated" ... because I can tell you right now that I have nothing to appologize for, and I don't live in the past. You can to stay up there on your high horse and continue to tell me what I should do and how I should do it if it gives you pleasure. As far as your conclusion that I have "... 69 <posts> are full of bile and attacks on other members, mostly trying to twist what they previously said." An opinion that has no merit. You've just shown me your true colors - that is the most vile attack I've read on these forums. You are correct when you say that you reep what you sow.

[mvzuilekom]

Hi All,

I would really want to read about the add-on's in this thread, and not personal disagreements.

jbourke must be able to eliminate/remove comments that are not applicable to this thread? Maybe this will prevent this forum from becoming useless or not attractive to read and maintain.

Please let's get back to the real subject, and be polite to each other!

Regards,

Marco.

[Clay Walters]

I agree Marco!

I purchased G3 and learned of G4 being released and the rebate when I signed on to register the G3. And that was a good deal because now my son-in-law has G3.5 by virtue of the online FREE updates and I have a new G4 with packs 1-2 for free. Not too shabby for a little over $300 and both of us may save a plane or two as a result.

Looking forward to the FREE packs 3-5 too.

Thanks KnifeEdge,

Clay

[lovelesspl]

Thanks KE for providing the Add Ons 1 & 2. I can't wait for the rest of them. There were planes in the Adds Ons that I likes and were not there without the add ons.

Reading this thread seems like you can't win either way. You have released 1 & 2 and people are still bickering.

I wish you would eliminate some of the worthless post that clutter this thread.

Patiently waiting for 3, 4, & 5.

[Couch-pilot]

Thanks KE for providing the Add Ons 1 & 2. I can't wait for the rest of them.


Forgive my daftness - did I miss something? Do they work? Or is there a patch?

[phrank]

Forgive my daftness - did I miss something? Do they work? Or is there a patch?

Yes to all of the above.

[Law]

Forgive my daftness - did I miss something? Do they work? Or is there a patch?


The "purchased" Add-ons do NOT work with G4. The contents of the Add-ons (#1 and 2 presently with 3, 4 & 5 to follow) are available through a free download.

Read this for more information ...

http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20314

[Couch-pilot]

:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[rjmanzuk]

The contents of the Add-ons (#1 and 2 presently with 3, 4 & 5 to follow) are available through a free download. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock ... well, I kept MY end of the bargain, and bought G4 because of the PROMISE to bring out add-ons 3-5 ... now it's KE's turn to keep THEIR promise.

[twostroke]

This has been a most intersting trail to read, I have done very little posting, just joined the forum. But this has got to be the craziest ever, I purchased G4 just because it rocks. KE is doing a great job and then they give us exp 1&2 free, how the heck can I not see this as a bonus. See you at the Field, lets go flying.

[jeffpn]

Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock ... well, I kept MY end of the bargain, and bought G4 because of the PROMISE to bring out add-ons 3-5 ... now it's KE's turn to keep THEIR promise.
Must... have.... instant... gratification :confused: :p

[rjmanzuk]

Must... have.... instant... gratification :confused: :p... at my age, my friend (68+) ANY gratification is welcome sooner rather than later, because one never knows if there will be a later. :D

[josh0987]

... at my age, my friend (68+) ANY gratification is welcome sooner rather than later, because one never knows if there will be a later. :DGood point.. :eek:

[Slice18]

Love 1, 2 and can't wait for 3-5, but as MANY people havn't learned patience is key and you'll only drive yourself mad by expecting instant gratification.

besides there are different planes on the swap pages, download something you havn't and give it a try I guarantee that will pass the time. ;)

[markind]

Love 1, 2 and can't wait for 3-5


Meee too I'm dying waiting on 3-5 as I have all the disks and G3.5 and then donated them all to a needy friend (after I found out they did not WORK! :mad: :rolleyes: ) when I bought into G4 and now I'm stuck with no Osprey, etc... Yep that's a fun one... :rolleyes:

[ILv2Xlr8]

Wow! Thanks for releasing Add-ons 1 & 2 to G4 owners for FREE! You have made me a loyal customer, anyone who asks me about what sim to buy will only get one answer... RealFlight

The free add-ons are missing all the photo fields!

Will the photo fields be released soon? I miss the USAF museum as I go there every year for DOGS.

[jeffpn]

The free add-ons are missing all the photo fields!

Will the photo fields be released soon? I miss the USAF museum as I go there every year for DOGS.
The USAF Museum is on Expansion Pack 1, not Add On 1

[Norton]

Were there any photo fields on the Add- on's?

[jeffpn]

Were there any photo fields on the Add- on's?
That's what I was also wondering...Maybe the guy who made this a 15 page thread could chime in.

[BigGuyJT]

I own add ons 3-5. There arent any photofields on those.

[jeffpn]

I own add ons 3-5. There arent any photofields on those.
I own them too. But I gave away G3. Oops!!! :eek:

[ILv2Xlr8]

The USAF Museum is on Expansion Pack 1, not Add On 1

I missed that. I incorrectly assumed the expansion pack and add-on was the same thing.

Do the expansion packs work with G4? or do neither the Expansion Packs and Add-ons work?

[Norton]

All Exp Packs work with G4 and there is a free download of re-worked Add-ons 1&2.
Add-ons 3,4 & 5 hopefully will be re-worked also and be a free download.

Download page for Add-ons 1&2 is here: http://www.realflight.com/free-g4-add-ons.html

[Aircraft Master]

I missed that. I incorrectly assumed the expansion pack and add-on was the same thing.

Do the expansion packs work with G4? or do neither the Expansion Packs and Add-ons work?
Expansion packs 1-5 work on G4.

[jeffpn]

;) :eek: :) :p :D
You're showing your age.

[BigGuyJT]

You're showing your age.
He's already givin us enough clues to who he is.

[mikecalvert456]

I download the EP 1 & 2 into my data folder but from there it didn't appear to do anything. The files are in .dck format while all the other files are in .adj format. Did I do something wrong?

RFAOV1_G4.dck
RFAOV2_G4.dck


other files are labeled like this one:
RFV4_4.adj

[phrank]

First,
Don't confuse EP 1 & 2 with Add-ons 1 and 2. They are different products.
Second,
Update G4 to the latest version in order to see the new Add-Ons.
You need at least: G4 version 4.00.051

Good Luck...

I download the EP 1 & 2 into my data folder but from there it didn't appear to do anything. The files are in .dck format while all the other files are in .adj format. Did I do something wrong?

RFAOV1_G4.dck
RFAOV2_G4.dck


other files are labeled like this one:
RFV4_4.adj

[Jimmy Newton]

Mike, Just move the files into the Real Flight Data folder. It should be located in
C:Programs\Real Flight G4\Data
Then fire up Real flight and enjoy. :)

[tclaridge]

I am not that concerned about the fields from the add-ons. I just want the planes.

Does anyone know if you can export a variant or color scheme from G3 and import into G4?

[phrank]

Anything custom content that worked in G3, will work in G4.

I am not that concerned about the fields from the add-ons. I just want the planes.

Does anyone know if you can export a variant or color scheme from G3 and import into G4?

[mikecalvert456]

That worked! I was in Cache/Data :eek: Now with the last update I can even join multi-player sessions which it use to lockup most of the time and drop me out.

:)

[mikecalvert456]

Sorry add-ons not EP

[cfossa]

Any word on when AO 3-5 will be converted for G4? I sold my G3.5 and sure miss some of the warbirds on those add-ons.

Carl

[jjuneau]

Any word on when AO 3-5 will be converted for G4? I sold my G3.5 and sure miss some of the warbirds on those add-ons.

Carl

BUMP - I just bought G4 with all five expansion packs, now I would love to see the other three addon packs deliver what the first two addon packs failed to deliver (quality). No rush though, quality is better than quick turnarounds. And communication/feedback is priceless in the process!

[jeffpn]

BUMP - I just bought G4 with all five expansion packs, now I would love to see the other three addon packs deliver what the first two addon packs failed to deliver (quality). No rush though, quality is better than quick turnarounds. And communication/feedback is priceless in the process!Those 2 addons are 10 years old. They contained all the "(quality)" that they originally had. In other words, if the discs did work in G4, what you have seen is what it would look like. The addons were originally developed for G2.

[jjuneau]

Those 2 addons are 10 years old. They contained all the "(quality)" that they originally had. In other words, if the discs did work in G4, what you have seen is what it would look like. The addons were originally developed for G2.

Yeah I know, so why would you "give away" such crappy quality addons to use with a badass version of G4 ?? It makes the game look silly.

It's like Microsoft giving users of Windows Vista free Windows 3.1 themes.

[pplace]

Yeah I know, so why would you "give away" such crappy quality addons to use with a badass version of G4 ?? It makes the game look silly.

It's like Microsoft giving users of Windows Vista free Windows 3.1 themes.

Because there was a group of individuals that found it "unfair" that they had previously purchased the add ons and were now not able to use them. KE went way above and beyond to make these compatible with G4 (FOR FREE) and yet some people still find things to pick apart on this matter. If you don't care for the quality of the OLD add ons...don't download them when they are made available for free.

[jjuneau]

Because there was a group of individuals that found it "unfair" that they had previously purchased the add ons and were now not able to use them. KE went way above and beyond to make these compatible with G4 (FOR FREE) and yet some people still find things to pick apart on this matter. If you don't care for the quality of the OLD add ons...don't download them when they are made available for free.


I'm just sayin'... Thanks for the free addons but don't skimp out on the quality on future addons, maybe try enhancing them to make them even better for G4

[jeffpn]

jjuneau: I'm just sayin'... If the original Addon discs did work in G4, the quality would be the same as the files that you can download for free. DON'T LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH!. Like pplace said, if the FREE software is not good enough for you, don't download it. Like I've said before, KE has to be pulling there hair out over this. First, from the whiners who said how UNFAIR (I love that word) it is that they can't use their AOs with G4 (A product they were never designed for.) So KE makes them compatible and releases them for FREE. Then more whining about the quality, too long to wait for the next AOs, etc. Waa, waa, waa. I bought all 5 addons, I'm not complaining that they don't work with G4. If they were that important to me, I would have kept my G3. The free Addons were meant to appease the people who already bought the Addons. It's a Bonus (Law, did you hear that?) for those who did not buy the AddOns. Did you buy all the AddOns (or any)? Based on your join date and your post count, I think I know the answer. You have no right to complain. If I were KE, I would make AddOns 3-5 only work if the user has the appropriate serial number. AOs 1 &2 had no serial number.

If you aren't satisfied with the quality of the free software, remake the planes yourself. We could always use more modelers here. Reminds me of my church organist; there's alot of sour notes on Sunday mornings, but no one complains. Do you know why? Because no one else can play any better, or at all.

[tsteege]

Typical Jeff... Man you might want to get some fiber of something.

KE thanks for getting us "whiners" the Add Ons. I have all the boxes, discs, and 3 serial number if they ever want them.

TSTEEGE

[iflyinanh]

whiners like Jeff sead, dont look a gift horse in the mouth. what is wrong with getting sonthing free

[BigGuyJT]

whiners like Jeff sead, dont look a gift horse in the mouth. what is wrong with getting sonthing free
He didnt say there is anything wrong about getting something for free. He is saying, dont complain about the product if you are getting it for free.

[Law]

jjuneau: ...

The free Addons were meant to appease the people who already bought the Addons. It's a Bonus (Law, did you hear that?) for those who did not buy the AddOns. Did you buy all the AddOns (or any)?

...

I'm sorry did you say something jeff?

A bonus? You don't really want to start that again do you?

I guess if you want it to be a bonus and don't want to believe what KnifeEdge management has been saying since they released G4 - then it's a bonus ... :rolleyes: :D

[Slice18]

wow most of you act like waiting for the rest of the add ons is killing you because you don't have enough planes to fly... well why not practice with a plane you already have OR! how about downloading from the swap pages, thats what i've been doing, and my downloads almost outnumber the planes that came with G4!

[Bonanza]

Who actually owned the original realflight? This was what addons 1 and 2 were meant for. At that time (I don't even remember how long ago that was) they were great. I remember flying around all those planes and loving them, to the old school music, and my favorite sayings (the grass is a little long at the end of the runway there) and all that stuff. Then G2 came out. Which I'm guessing addon 3 and 4 were aimed at, and with G3 was addon 5 and then on to the expansion packs.
Knifeedge have a done a great job keeping up with the times over the years, and I for one have loved all the new addons. To ask them to go back and re-create the old ones is wrong. If you are that worried about it, get of your butt and re-create them yourself.
I warn you though, you may get hooked on creating these things. :D

[Bonanza]

If you look at the box carefully it says for windows 95/98. That gives you an idea!

[opjose]

It's like Microsoft giving users of Windows Vista free Windows 3.1 themes.

Eh, why yes they do....

[r1derbike]

"Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!"

"Able to fly like a speeding bullet!"

"Look, up in the sky!" "It's a bird, no, it's a plane!"

"No! "It's Real Flight G4 and EVERYTHING that works with it!"

Less griping, more flying. It's amazing how easy that is to do.

Charles

[josh0987]

"Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound!"

"Able to fly like a speeding bullet!"

"Look, up in the sky!" "It's a bird, no, it's a plane!"

"No! "It's Real Flight G4 and EVERYTHING that works with it!"

Less griping, more flying. It's amazing how easy that is to do.

CharlesYou just got me a new Signature! :D

[BigGuyJT]

You just got me a new Signature! :D
***cough*** copyright infringment ***cough cough***


Just messin with ya josh.

[tavster]

When the add-on 3,4,5??? I need the F-15 of the add-on 3# for G4.......

I want to practice. I need you add-on.

aggggggggggg!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[jeffpn]

I wish "needing" an AddOn was the worst problem that I had. :confused: Kids!!!

[Wolf Phantom II]

When the add-on 3,4,5??? I need the F-15 of the add-on 3# for G4.......

I want to practice. I need you add-on.

aggggggggggg!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Cool you have an F-15, what brand is it?

[jim_ag3y]

In another thread, I confused the term "add-ons" with "expansion packs", thinking that they were the same thing! My BAD ! a typical "newbie" mistake.

Being a newbie, I am easily impressed with anything that I can do with the G4! I have been using it to sharpen my skills at handling "real" R/C aircraft, and for that purpose, I have been absolutely thrilled!

I have noticed some of the problems with the add-ons, such as water that is solid as ice, "whirligigs" that don't whirl, etc.

But I have also noticed that some of the add-on flying sites give me a higher frame rate with my minimal on board video hardware, and for that, I am quite grateful. I can fly planes through a 3D environment and still have smooth control, something which is not always the case with the "Pure" G4 3D graphics !

Thank you, KE for releasing the bonus gifts to us late arrivals to the Sim world!

Cheers ! Jim S.

[cameron]

what i can't wait for is the f-15 and the v-22 osprey

[rjmanzuk]

what i can't wait for is the f-15 and the v-22 ospreyIf you look at the lineup, there's a LOT of fantastic air machines and flying sites out there waiting to be imported into my new G4:

http://www.realflight.com/products/ao3_screenshots.html
http://www.realflight.com/products/ao4_screenshots.html
http://www.realflight.com/products/ao5_screenshots.html

I learned to love 'em all with G3.x, and can't wait until I can import them into G4, so I can finally retire my G3.5 from my PC and make more room for imports from the swaps.