error: D3DERR_INVALID CALL

[robterand@earth]

Hello, Thought someone here might be able to help me with this error msg. Is it a problem with code in Direct X. I'm running win XP and getting this msg after SIM program begins to load field and plane? It states File:.\DXEffect.cpp Line 836 & 896
I bought the game yesterday and can't play.....Help Please! Terry :(

[jim_ag3y]

Terry, follow the instructions given in this post for reporting problems to Knife Edge.

http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21793

On the opening screen, there is a tab you can select that will lead you to a report of your computer's operating system. Make the text file of that report just as the post shows you how to do it, and then you will probably get more exact help !

Good luck! Jim

[dcpropilot]

http://www.alienware.com/products/alx-x58-desktop.aspx?SysCode=PC-ALX-X58&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

It will serve you coffee in the morning, AND eliminate ALL your RF errors.

[opjose]

It will serve you coffee in the morning, AND eliminate ALL your RF errors.

Thank you for admitting that having hardware that is up to the task is a good idea. Maybe you'll take a page from this and quit blaming the rest of the world? Somehow I doubt it...

The Alienware machine is wonderful, though overkill.

[Chris McVey]

Hello Terry,


Did you get the issue resolved? If not try giving Tech support a call. Telephone Contact: 217-398-8970 (Available Monday-Friday, 8:00 AM - 7:00 PM CST.)



Thanks Chris McVey

[chuck l]

I got those same two error messages when trying to run G4.5 on my Dell laptop with an "integrated video card". G4.0 runs fine, just load it from the Launcher. Knife Edge is working on a solution

[Josh 0987]

Integrated graphics card support has been dropped in G4.5.

[opjose]

Knife Edge is working on a solution

As Josh indicated, there is no "solution" because sad to say there is no "problem"...

[jim_ag3y]

Is it true that integrated graphics will no longer be supported for KE simulators? I think that is a mistake. There are a LOT of computers, not only laptops, but desktops as well that are being sold with motherboard-based graphic chipsets. There should always be some way of turning off the advanced graphics requirements so that future editions of the simulator can at least be run on a machine with less than super high capability 3D graphics.

I started out with G4 on a computer with an integrated graphics package, and although I was not really able to run 3D water scenes well, I still gained a HUGE amount of knowledge and ability to fly RC airplanes with the simulator. I mostly confined myself to photofields and the simplest 3D fields, with the graphics parameters cut way back, but the point is that I was ABLE to fly the airplanes, and quite well, thank you very much!

I even found ways to make G4.5 run on the integrated chipset, but must say that putting even a very basic NVidea GPU card in the machine helped a LOT.

But as I said at the onset, there are going to be LOTS of laptop users that are not going to be able to upgrade their computers, and it would be a significant loss both financially and in the area of public opinion to not make it possible to scale back the requirements so these future editions of RealFlight can perform adequately.

Don't forget, RealFlight is a darn good R/C teaching tool first and foremost, and it is not necessary to have "mind-blowing" graphics capabilities in order to do what it was originally designed for.

JMHO Jim

[HuckD]

JMHO Jim

Well stated, Jim. I fully agree.

Huck

[opjose]

But as I said at the onset, there are going to be LOTS of laptop users that are not going to be able to upgrade their computers, and it would be a significant loss both financially and in the area of public opinion to not make it possible to scale back the requirements so these future editions of RealFlight can perform adequately.

Don't forget, RealFlight is a darn good R/C teaching tool first and foremost, and it is not necessary to have "mind-blowing" graphics capabilities in order to do what it was originally designed for.

JMHO Jim

While you are correct IMHO, the problem this creates is a necessity for multiple developement paths... in effect versions of G4.x that can deal with the limited texture capabilities of Integrated Video Adaptors and then another for those w/o these problems.

I have a laptop that is affected by the hardware requirement increase, and frankly I don't want to loose the ability to run G4.5 in all of it's "glory" simply because I want my substandard laptop to also run it.

Most people purchase laptops WITHOUT regard to running 3D software, and unfortunately that is their mistake.

Often when I'm asked for laptop recommendations ( at least TWICE a day ) I start discussing the video card requirements and associated costs, and the typical reply is "well I don't need that because I don't play games".

I TRY to do these people a favor by expending the time to explain how Vista is affected by the performance of the video adaptor, how future software will depend upon DX10 compliancy, how spending the extra bucks now will permit them to use their laptop for a longer period of time, how they will benefit in the interim, etc. etc. etc.... and they go out and forgo the advice...

People want to spend as little as possible PERIOD.

The manufacturers cater to this with the Integrated Displays.

The same requirements that G4.x has, are pretty standard for most 3D game programs and for good performance under Vista.

I don't want KE crippling my simulator experience to try to encompass the machine I may have purchased that is up to snuff.

If YOU WANT an - FMS - type simulation experience on a laptop, well then just download FMS.

This may sound myopic to those who are complaining about lack of Integrated Adaptor support, but it's not...

KE was able to shoehorn in support for Intel 915 displays in a patch for G4.0 which was great! But they did not have such support in prior releases.

That "patch" is biting them in the tail now, as the requirements have moved past these subperforming devices.

Had they not put it out, there would be less of a clamour.

[jeffpn]

Yeah, what he said!!!

[DougI]

Terry,
I have the same exact issue. Please let me know when there is a resolution. And in addition, File:.\DXEeffect.cpp Line: 836 and Line:896

[jeffpn]

Don't hold your breath.

[amoss]

Hello,

I just purchased a copy of G4.5 and now realize it will not work on my laptop, as I have the Intel 945 chip.

I reverted to G4 via online updates, but when I try to start the program I get error messages such as "'RFV4AUTO.DCK' was designed to work with RealFlight version 4.50.020 or higher.".

I get error messages like this for every file in the "Data" folder. It doesn't seem as though a lot of others have had this problem going from G4.5 to G4. Am I missing something?

Thanks for your time,
Andrew

[Ryan Douglas]

It sounds like you're trying to perform an online update to a version earlier than the one you installed (the one that came on your CDs/DVD). That won't work. You can update back and forth between different versions, but only as far back as the version on your disk(s). In your case, it sounds like that's 4.5.

[amoss]

Is there any way I can get the G4 version? I purchased G4.5 thinking my system was adequate to run the software (based on the system requirements listed), but didn't find out that the Intel chip doesn't work until I ran into problems on startup.

Thanks again for your assistance,
Andrew

[opjose]

From the launcher you can perform the online update and select "upgrade to a specific version".

Make sure that you select the version you want and hit "refresh all".

[amoss]

I gave that a try and that's when I got the error messages about the files not being compatible on startup. I figured that's what folks were doing when they wanted to go back to G4, but what I was told in a previous post is it won't work because I have the G4.5 disc and I won't be able to go to a previous version.

Thanks,
Andrew

[Ryan Douglas]

You could try contacting tech support (http://www.gpsoftware.com/contacts.htm). I have no idea if they will be able to help you, but it's possible they could do a disk exchange or something.

[kiwi.jet]

I have an Acer laptop running XR Pro and 4.5 with all its add-ons and works fine and my desk top which uses integrated video and on which I used to run Vista until I got fed up with it, ran 4.5 sweet. No problems.

I have now gone back to XP Pro on my desktop and version 4 runs okay but upgrading to 4.5 gives me D3DERR_Invalidcall etc.

Some of the above postings seem to suggest a seperate video card will solve the problem ?? But hey - the laptop works fine :

[opjose]

I have an Acer laptop running XR Pro and 4.5 with all its add-ons and works fine and my desk top which uses integrated video and on which I used to run Vista until I got fed up with it, ran 4.5 sweet. No problems.

I have now gone back to XP Pro on my desktop and version 4 runs okay but upgrading to 4.5 gives me D3DERR_Invalidcall etc.

Some of the above postings seem to suggest a seperate video card will solve the problem ?? But hey - the laptop works fine :

Separate Video card?

Eh, no most laptops have the video built into the motherboard and there is no way to change it.

Please do what it says on the following link and post the results here.

Click me! (http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9663)

[phoenix8]

D3DERR_INVALIDCALL
File .\DXEffect.cpp
Line 836 and 896

Purchased 4.0 of real flight. Runs fine on my Dell 620 running Vista. Upgrade to 4.5 and I got the above error. Attached file has technical info for my pc as advised by the forum.

[phrank]

Have you checked the "sticky"?
Maybe it will help you.
http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21928

[jeffpn]

RF4.5 will not run on your system. You'll have to keep 4.0. Your video card isn't, and according to KE won't be, supported.

[opjose]

D3DERR_INVALIDCALL
File .\DXEffect.cpp
Line 836 and 896

Purchased 4.0 of real flight. Runs fine on my Dell 620 running Vista. Upgrade to 4.5 and I got the above error. Attached file has technical info for my pc as advised by the forum.

Yup the problem is right here:

---- SNIP -----

Card name: Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family
Manufacturer: Intel Corporation
Chip type: Intel(R) GMA 950
DAC type: Internal
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_27A2&SUBSYS_01C21028&REV_03
Dedicated Memory: 0 MB
Shared Memory: 224 MB

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