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jeffpn
01-26-2012, 10:34 PM
I'm getting to the point in my current build, the Albatross, where I usually start thinking about our next model. I'm curious if there's anyone who has any ideas for a model. The catch is you would have to bail on us during the build. I'm not sure I would know what to do with someone who would request a model and stick around during the build to answer questions about preferences or provide additional pics he might have. It would be odd for that to happen. How about it? Does anyone have good 3-views, reference pics and specs for a model you'd like to see in RF?

andy29847
01-26-2012, 11:16 PM
EAA biplane. Bailing now. :D

jeffpn
01-26-2012, 11:17 PM
Good, good! CUZ YOU FORGOT THE PICS, 3-VIEWS AND SPECS!!! :p

Madratter
01-26-2012, 11:56 PM
I would absolutely love to see a version of the FE.2b done. I don't have 3 views but check out these gorgeous pictures.

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fe-2b/flying-fe-2b

a4magic
01-27-2012, 01:06 AM
Supporting Madratter on this!

phrank
01-27-2012, 01:22 AM
An Ultralight with a gun? :eek: Coooool! :cool:

td9cowboy
01-27-2012, 03:04 AM
Venison Jerky Machine, MMM :D

andy29847
01-27-2012, 05:49 AM
http://www.airventuremuseum.org/images/collection/aircraft/EAA%20Biplane%20A-1(P-2)-1.jpg

The EAA Biplane was one the first original designs published by the Experimental Aircraft Association. A popular and successful design in its own right, the EAA Biplane was also the forerunner of EAA’s popular Acro Sport series of aerobatic homebuilts.

In 1955, EAA founder Paul Poberezny was looking for a new design for a sporty-looking, open cockpit biplane for homebuilders. He turned to EAA member Jim D. Stewart to draw up plans for an easy-to-build biplane that would take advantage of up-to-date materials and methods. Stewart was at the time an aeronautical engineer at the Allison Engine Company in Indianapolis, IN. Allison built a wide variety of engines, including aircraft engines.

Stewart and three other Allison engineers agreed to design an airplane and draw a set of plans. Initially, they based their design on the Gere biplane, a popular 1930s-era homebuilt, but soon abandoned that route as impractical. Instead, they created an entirely new design. It used a welded-tube fuselage and wooden wing, with fabric covering, and was powered by a 65-horsepower Continental engine.

Robert Blacker, and his students at St. Rita’s High School, in Chicago, IL, had just finished construction of a Corben Baby Ace homebuilt airplane as a class project. Blacker and his students agreed to build the EAA Biplane prototype as the focus of Blacker’s high school course in aircraft construction. Work began in 1957 and continued at the school through 1960. The students added their own modifications to streamline the airframe, including an enclosed bubble canopy for the cockpit, a pressure cowling for the engine, and streamlined fairings on the wing and strut fittings.


In its first test flights, in June of 1960, the airplane did not perform well, and it was returned to the school for modifications. These included a redesigned horizontal stabilizer and the addition of two degrees of incidence in the upper wing. (“Incidence” is the angle between the chord of a wing and the longitudinal axis of the fuselage.) Further test flights in November were much more successful and with a modified cowling (to improve engine cooling) and a new metal propeller, the airplane performed pretty much as its designers intended.

The EAA Biplane was then moved to EAA headquarters (then at Hales Corners, WI) for more modifications and testing. The bubble canopy was removed and replaced with a turtle deck, headrest, and windscreen, as in the original drawings. Poberezny and other EAA members suggested other changes to improve the appearance of the airplane, including a larger 85-horsepower engine, new instrument panel, smaller cockpit opening, redesigned engine and fuselage cowlings, and the addition of a propeller hub spinner. Several EAA members completed these modifications in time to unveil the completed prototype at the 1961 EAA convention at Rockford, IL. The plans for the EAA Biplane were updated and offered for sale, for $20, with profits dedicated to the “EAA Air Education Museum Building Fund.”

andy29847
01-27-2012, 10:19 AM
http://www.oshkosh365.org/userimages/37030/d04ee56b-cb3c-4b5f-afc6-4b7cc0b5b2b6.jpg

andy29847
01-27-2012, 10:22 AM
This CS fits with the recent action on the forum...

http://www.rotecradialengines.com/0JimTeel/Before.jpg

more pics and mods: http://www.rotecradialengines.com/customers/JimTeel.htm

Madratter
01-27-2012, 11:32 AM
Wikipedia has these specs on the F.E.2b

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aircraft_Factory_F.E.2

There are a lot of really good pictures on the build of this at:

http://thevintageaviator.co.nz/projects/fe-2b/building-fe-2b

See the pictures on the bottom which can be enlarged. This is the same site I originally gave, just the build section.

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 11:58 AM
(Yawn) Time for a nap!

abaser
01-27-2012, 12:36 PM
:D :D :D :D

http://www.rctech.net/forum/attachments/manila-racers/109728d1136446953-rc-flight-quickie-380.jpg

mwilson914
01-27-2012, 01:01 PM
Jeff,

Could you make an Extra 330L? I'm sure you can find TONs of 3-views around the web. I would like to help you out with this one, but I'm already feeling complacent and I don't want to assist you any further.

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to abandon you on this project now.

Best o' luck,

Matt

Norton
01-27-2012, 03:54 PM
Supermarine Type 322 Dumbo.

Type: Naval torpedo dive bomber/reconnaissance
Crew: 3

Engine
Rolls-Royce Merlin 30 inline | 1300 hp | Pistons
Dimensions/Masses

Length: 12.19 m | Width: 15.24 m | Height: 4.32 m
Weight: 4162 kg | Max. Combat Weight: 5443 kg

Performances
Max. Speed: 449 km/h | Ceiling: 1328 m | Range: 402 km
Armament

MG: 2 x 7.7mm Vickers or Browning MG
Torpedo: 1 x 680 mm torpedo or 3 x 250kg bombs

It would be nice to have a R/C version with control horns etc ;)

brields
01-27-2012, 04:45 PM
An Ultralight with a gun? :eek: Coooool! :cool:

That's no ultralight. It's one of those WWI fighter planes that were designed to have a gun facing forward without shooting off the prop. click on the link.

Norton
01-27-2012, 05:23 PM
Payen PA 61 Arbalete concept.

Norton
01-27-2012, 05:45 PM
Zenair STOL CH 750,

http://www.can-zacaviation.com/750/STOL%20750.htm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugexp=pfwl&cp=19&gs_id=7&xhr=t&q=sport+plane+3+views&safe=off&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1366&bih=624&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=UxgjT6yuLKWhiQLmhp39Aw#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=STOL+CH+750&pbx=1&oq=STOL+CH+750&aq=f&aqi=g1g-S3g-mS1&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=114101l114101l0l116756l1l1l0l0l0l0l79l79l1l 1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=544585c162a29a30&biw=1366&bih=624

I have tons of info on this one.

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 06:23 PM
The Zenair is a definite maybe.

phrank
01-27-2012, 07:11 PM
My what big airfoils you have. :eek:

That is definitely an interesting bird.

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 07:22 PM
Excuse me? Did you say absurd? :p

phrank
01-27-2012, 08:02 PM
Yeah kinda wild. Look at the elevator airfoil, it's upside down like a heli's tailboom fins.

brields
01-27-2012, 08:18 PM
Yeah kinda wild. Look at the elevator airfoil, it's upside down like a heli's tailboom fins.

It also says "STOL" on it.
Perhaps that might have something to do with the bloated airfoils?

Norton
01-27-2012, 08:19 PM
It also says "STOL" on it.

Na really? :rolleyes:

Thanks for posting that.

brields
01-27-2012, 08:21 PM
Yarelly

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 08:22 PM
What a keen observation.

Norton, that Zodiac I saw had an upside down hstab airfoil, too. If I recall, it looked alot like your request.

Norton
01-27-2012, 08:29 PM
What a keen observation.

Norton, that Zodiac I saw had an upside down hstab airfoil, too. If I recall, it looked alot like your request.

It is a affordable pretty cool plane, I'll have to look up Zodiac vs Zenair.

brields
01-27-2012, 08:31 PM
What's AULA stand for?

Norton
01-27-2012, 08:38 PM
What does that have to do with this thread?

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 08:40 PM
That's what I was wondering. He's a troll.

Norton
01-27-2012, 08:48 PM
He is defiantly not well informed! He also has the tend to possibly get legitimate threads closed because of his babel.

Isn't this thread about Jeff's next model? Get a clue Breilds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flexible
01-27-2012, 10:14 PM
What a keen observation.

Norton, that Zodiac I saw had an upside down hstab airfoil, too. If I recall, it looked alot like your request.
I guess you fellows never saw a horizontal stablelizer upside down before. Very common on passenger jets.

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 10:19 PM
flex, you just quoted me saying I saw one. Geez, yer getting old!!! :p

willsonman
01-27-2012, 10:26 PM
Actually I've used that trick in the editor on an uncompleted airplane to simulate an inverted lift airfoil to produce a pitching effect. Thanks to DHK for the idea... Seems I dont come up with much of my own stuff anymore.

Jeff I was just thinking of something new for you just the other day... it was a water something or other. Made me think of you because... yeah... no landing gear. :D

You could always do the ekranoplane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSYmSnpQ360

Totally escapes me what I was thinking of though.

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 10:31 PM
Yup. Doug used an upside down airfoil for the hstab on the AG -14 me and Maj. did. One of RF's recent updates screwed up upside down airfoils.

willsonman
01-27-2012, 11:01 PM
One of RF's recent updates screwed up upside down airfoils.
:rolleyes:

Maj. Numbskully
01-27-2012, 11:17 PM
One to consider ................
Last English production Biplane fighter
Gloster gladiator(JA-8)
Used to love flying this bird in Il-2 Sturmovik
there were several variants ending , I believe with the MkIV
it was used by BOTH sides in WWII !

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 11:48 PM
I don't think I've done a cowl like that yet, have I? :D

Maj. Numbskully
01-27-2012, 11:52 PM
Not that I recall

jeffpn
01-27-2012, 11:58 PM
Not since the Shrike, anyway!! :p :D

Maj. Numbskully
01-28-2012, 12:04 AM
........... :p :p :p