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dhk79
04-10-2012, 09:57 PM
Due to a sort of special request, actually more of a discussion where I decided one of my earliest models was a bit lacking based my current skill set, I'm reworking my G3 ZERO that was originally posted Dec 2006.

Things to be added or revisited:

1) General clean-up of the model.
2) Separate cockpit structure.
3) Separately mapped interior cowl lip.
4) Multiple engines, including my Saito.
5) Scale retracts with wheel wells and gear doors.
6) Split flaps
7) A few little details added here and there.

Brields had said that he'd be interested in doing the CS after the plane was remapped.

Boof69
04-10-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm looking forward to your revisit and interested to see brields CS.

dhk79
04-10-2012, 10:09 PM
Here's a shot of the original model and CS, done back when I thought coloring in the lines was the way to do color schemes. Note the visable seams. Leave the coloring books for the four year olds, that type of process has no place in modeling.

dhk79
04-11-2012, 03:53 PM
Wheel well has been modeled such that the wing, wheel well, fuselage, and gear doors (removed for the pictures) all fit snugly together. The second set of gear is only for me to see how it retracts and will be deleted before export.

willsonman
04-11-2012, 04:04 PM
This is great. Look forward to your progress.

dhk79
04-11-2012, 06:25 PM
I've got to go get some real work done. Here's a quick shot of my progress, currently about 11.5K polys.

dhk79
04-12-2012, 06:42 AM
Rework is nearly done. All I have left is to do the tail gear door and well. Sitting at 10,418 polys (after cleanup), so I should be able to drop in my Saito as I wanted. My plan is to use the same muffler for both, then I'll only have to deal with swapping one fuselage cutout and the exhaust location will remain constant.

willsonman
04-12-2012, 07:24 AM
The V-stab still looks funky to me. too wide at the top?

dhk79
04-12-2012, 08:17 AM
I haven't touched that yet, but you're probably right.

dhk79
04-12-2012, 09:57 PM
Adding the option of the Gold Knight kicked the polys up to 17221, so other than a bit of clean-up she's probably done. Included in that clean-up will be to tweak the vertical stab.

brields
04-13-2012, 02:44 PM
No promises on the CS. :o
Although I'v never colored inside the lines. :cool:

Richard_Vaynes
04-13-2012, 06:44 PM
No promises on the CS. :o
Although I'v never colored inside the lines. :cool:


Did someone ask you to do the CS? I missed that.

brields
04-13-2012, 07:59 PM
You missed post #1? That tells me you're just trying to post in order to start drama.
In fact it's a dead give-away.

Sorry to sink your battleship, but I won't fall for it.

-If I'm totally wrong about you, I recommend, in the future, that you read the WHOLE
thread, so that members don't mistake you for a web-troll.

BTW, I wasn't asked. I was volunteered. Or did I volunteer? I can't remember.

brields
04-13-2012, 10:54 PM
Bombs could be placed on the same hard point as the external fuel tank.

Richard_Vaynes
04-14-2012, 02:56 PM
Brields,

I meant no harm--my apologies. My comment was aimed elswhere. I thought Doug was one of those guys that does everything from start to finish and I was surprised to see you mentioning that you would do the CS. I should have read the start of the thread though ,and now that I re-read my comment it came out completely the wrong way as I had intended.

Again my apologies. You guys that model and paint have my most sincere respect. I could never do what ya'll do.

brields
04-14-2012, 03:27 PM
Brields,

I meant no harm--my apologies. My comment was aimed elswhere. I thought Doug was one of those guys that does everything from start to finish and I was surprised to see you mentioning that you would do the CS. I should have read the start of the thread though ,and now that I re-read my comment it came out completely the wrong way as I had intended.

Again my apologies. You guys that model and paint have my most sincere respect. I could never do what ya'll do.

I send MY apology right back. I shouldn't have flown off the handle like I did.
We all make mistakes some times.

Boof69
04-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Some of of us make mistakes most of the time.;)

Maj. Numbskully
04-14-2012, 09:21 PM
Like when you say .............." Honey , would you like to go to the field today ?"..
:p:p

dhk79
04-16-2012, 08:40 PM
I did a little research into the bombs for the A6M and the large 250 kg (551 lb) center mounted one was indeed FIXED. You could not drop it nor land with it, thus ensuring a kamikaze mission would be one way. I'm not going to model it...

Now if someone can find a picture of the twin 60 kg (132 lb) bombs, showing the bombs in fair detail and where they are mounted, I might consider these.

Boof69
04-16-2012, 08:43 PM
I'm pretty sure this is what they looked like.

mwilson914
04-17-2012, 10:53 AM
I'm pretty sure this is what they looked like.

Yes. This is accurate according to my research as well.

dhk79
04-18-2012, 08:49 PM
Modeling updates are all complete and she's mapped and ready to be painted.

Boof69
04-18-2012, 08:58 PM
Hot damn! Are you ready Brields? :)

dhk79
04-19-2012, 04:30 PM
All indications lean toward brields being a no-show on doing the scheme.

So continuing on - while there are many Zero paint schemes, I've narrowed the selection down to 6 to consider. So for those of you who are still interested, pony up and tell me which of these you'd like this plane skinned with. If any of you have another scheme in mind, cough up a picture and we'll run it up the flag pole too.

Madratter
04-19-2012, 04:40 PM
I kind of like B or C. They are a step away from the more usual schemes you see all the time.

willsonman
04-19-2012, 05:15 PM
A or B... leaning more toward B but I like the yellow stripes of A.

Madratter
04-19-2012, 05:25 PM
A or B... leaning more toward B but I like the yellow stripes of A.

Yeah, I liked the yellow stripes of A also. But I liked the tighter pattern of B more. I would love a merger of the two, except then it isn't historical. But in terms of looks, that is what I would choose.

dhk79
04-19-2012, 06:07 PM
except then it isn't historical.This one isn't really scale anyway. The original model started off as a copy of a RC plane and while I cleaned it up a bit it still isn't exact. So I'm happy with painting it however the group likes and history be damned.

Boof69
04-19-2012, 07:39 PM
I likey E

pplace
04-19-2012, 07:57 PM
I like C,D & E but if I had to select only one I'd pick D, since brentg's great zero is similar to E already.

I'd also like to add I'm shocked, about the no-show CS'er!hehe

phrank
04-19-2012, 08:20 PM
C High Visibility R/C Orange.

dhk79
04-19-2012, 08:46 PM
Just as a test, I tried creating a splatter map to use for the camo job. I think it's doable without too much aggravation. Although it will require remapping the fuselage, but I have room on the template.

brields
04-20-2012, 02:01 PM
Hot damn! Are you ready Brields? :)

No. :p
Seriously, school work. no bueno.

brields
04-20-2012, 02:03 PM
This one isn't really scale anyway. The original model started off as a copy of a RC plane and while I cleaned it up a bit it still isn't exact. So I'm happy with painting it however the group likes and history be damned.

So I can make a racer out of it. :D

brields
04-20-2012, 02:20 PM
O.K. when I have the zero, I'll head to the Planes of Fame in Chino CA.
They have the only fully complete original zero in the world.
The CS will be based on that.

dhk79
04-20-2012, 04:14 PM
Brields,
I told you it's ready for you, I just need to know where to send it.

a4magic
04-20-2012, 05:16 PM
No. :p
Seriously, school work. no bueno.

CST Hit you? (I think you are in California)

jeffpn
04-20-2012, 05:18 PM
Brields,
I told you it's ready for you, I just need to know where to send it.

Brields email address is numb@skully.com :D

Maj. Numbskully
04-20-2012, 07:50 PM
:p:p............

brields
04-21-2012, 02:19 PM
CST Hit you? (I think you are in California)

Why yes it did. the Star test actually. :(

dhk79
04-21-2012, 03:35 PM
Brields has the files.

Please feel free to continue to use this thread to post your progress.

a4magic
04-21-2012, 04:07 PM
Why yes it did. the Star test actually. :(

Yeah, only thing you can do now is study. Good luck on the CS by the way.

brields
04-21-2012, 06:39 PM
I'll do my best.

brields
04-21-2012, 07:30 PM
Found what I'm looking for. No road trips needed.
A6M-5 NX46770 Is the only flight worthy Zero in the world with the original Kawasaki engine.
Other airframes had to have there engines replaced with Pratt and Witny R-1830s.

Boof69
04-21-2012, 08:07 PM
Winnie??:confused::D

Maj. Numbskully
04-21-2012, 08:20 PM
Kawasaki?...I was always under the impression that they were powered by Nakajima's or Mitsubishi's

flexible
04-21-2012, 08:22 PM
Gearld, wind is very still. Come over, we can fly in my front yard. You can fly the SE5A

brields
04-21-2012, 11:28 PM
I just looked up the Zero on Wikipedia, and got some info that does NOT AT ALL
make sense. The Zero I'm doing the CS of was the same 'A6M5' zero that was
captured and tested by the military. The info that was found was used to help
design the F6F Hellcat, Witch is what the A6M5 Zero was designed to combat against.
:confused:
I don't get it, and I sure don't trust Wikipedia right now.
I'v been to the Planes of Fame. I'v seen the A6M5 Zero. I know It's an A6M5 because
the wing tips do not fold up.

Norton
04-22-2012, 12:53 AM
You mean you have been trusting Wikipedia?:rolleyes:

It's good for quick reference but don't trust it.

Look into where they get there info.


Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles (except in certain cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism). Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or with their real identity, if they choose.

In other words, you cant really base anything from it.

brields
04-22-2012, 02:56 AM
So People like me who "speak" with out research have been writing Wikipedia this whole time !? :eek:
J.K. I knew that. I never actually trust Wikipedia anyway.

dhk79
04-22-2012, 07:16 AM
Brields has the files.I spoke too soon. The ISP that he said that he had an email account with rejected my email with the reason: Recipient Rejected: No account by that name here.

I'm still waiting for him to actually send an email that can be responded to.

jeffpn
04-22-2012, 09:20 AM
So People like me who "speak" with out research have been writing Wikipedia this whole time !? :eek:

Brields, you're the last person here who should complain of misinformation. :rolleyes:

12oclockhigh
04-22-2012, 09:47 AM
As with any information, nothing is 100% fact checked and totally error free, you have to use sources with some skeptical thought. In a case like this... you have to ask why anyone would post erroneous information? The political topics are rife with opinionated posts (abortion, Democrats, Republicans, etc.). I have found most aircraft information to be trust worth and errors corrected by equally well meaning individuals. The information is a collaboration of several sources. Wikipedia is a collective trust... the more eyes, the better. A lie or attempt to deface is soon rectified. I find Wiki to be a good source of information... I do read questioning everything... There are a lot of aircraft historians out there... they usually get it right. Some authors even peruse this information... do you see all the cites included at the bottom? Anyone willing to post information and cite references is usually a lot better than the average numskull posting on the internet.

Wikipedia is a go to source of information, just be careful.



You mean you have been trusting Wikipedia?:rolleyes:

It's good for quick reference but don't trust it.

Look into where they get there info.


Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles (except in certain cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism). Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or with their real identity, if they choose.

In other words, you cant really base anything from it.

brields
04-22-2012, 03:55 PM
I spoke too soon. The ISP that he said that he had an email account with rejected my email with the reason: Recipient Rejected: No account by that name here.

I'm still waiting for him to actually send an email that can be responded to.

I'll check into it this afternoon.

Maj. Numbskully
04-22-2012, 04:06 PM
I always try to find 2 or better yet
3 independent sources of information ..................And I like photos best;)

brields
04-22-2012, 05:05 PM
Brields, you're the last person here who should complain of misinformation. :rolleyes:
And your point is...?

jeffpn
04-22-2012, 05:13 PM
Check the post you quoted for my point.

brields
04-22-2012, 06:19 PM
To me it seems pointless to call someone else out.

U-Bird
04-22-2012, 06:24 PM
As a RC model in 1/5 scale, the Zero proved to be a OUTSTANDING model to fly, as friendly as a Sunday sport model. As with all Japanese planes of the time, they all seem to look alike with no real striking color schemes. Not alot to chose from when you paint one.

U-Bird
04-22-2012, 06:26 PM
Same Plane, more shots.

U-Bird
04-22-2012, 06:28 PM
The same plane, this wraps 'em up.

brields
04-22-2012, 07:01 PM
Crap! How am I gonna get in those small details? I need a head on shot of
the aircraft number, as well as those other details under the kill board.
Guess I'm going to an air show this summer. :(

Boof69
04-22-2012, 07:27 PM
I don't see anything particularly difficult on that CS. Shouldn't be a problem man.:)

Maj. Numbskully
04-22-2012, 07:39 PM
Crap!
Guess I'm going to an air show this summer. :(
ok doug ...............he'll be done this summer:confused:

jeffpn
04-22-2012, 07:41 PM
Air Shows are his summer. Looks like a fall release at best. :confused:

Boof69
04-22-2012, 07:44 PM
That's a long time to wait for a simple CS. Doug are you sure you want to wait that long?

Maj. Numbskully
04-22-2012, 07:46 PM
Crap! How am I gonna get in those small details? I need a head on shot of
the aircraft number, as well as those other details under the kill board.
:(
Welcome to the wonderful world of CS's !

breilds ..........you can find fonts online

or you can fix or even remake from scratch lots of things
I and others have "Remade" squadron insig. , logos , type faces ,even gauges
Many photos can be cleaned up considerably ,
at worst they serve as a template to "paint over them
boof is right ............thats a pretty basic CS

Boof69
04-22-2012, 08:14 PM
Here ya go brields! This may help you get it done. I just used the perspective and warp tools to straiten this up. This is as good of detail as you will need.:)

uncle twist
04-22-2012, 08:45 PM
Much more help, and this is all he`s gonna need

dhk79
04-22-2012, 08:46 PM
Doug are you sure you want to wait that long?All indications point to it taking him that long to get a working email address in the first place. :rolleyes:

Boof69
04-22-2012, 08:48 PM
Much more help, and this is all he`s gonna need
Um.. your attachment is empty. :confused:

uncle twist
04-22-2012, 08:54 PM
Sorry Boof. It worked on my end.It`s supposed to be a pic of the "bucket fill" tool in gimp.:D:D

jeffpn
04-22-2012, 09:01 PM
I see yo' bucket! :D

Boof69
04-22-2012, 09:04 PM
Oh ok I thought it was one of those symbols you see when the image is empty. I get it. Sorry :o

uncle twist
04-22-2012, 10:45 PM
:cool:;):D X2 :D

brields
04-23-2012, 03:14 PM
Thanks for the pic boof.
as for U. Twist...

uncle twist
04-23-2012, 03:43 PM
Now now Brields, don`t take it so rough.Just a little forum humor was all that was intended.I`m taking your post the same.I`m still laughing, that was funny.;):D

uncle twist
04-23-2012, 11:00 PM
Found this as well Brields. I hope this helps. No #`s though

brields
04-23-2012, 11:03 PM
Cool! Now I can give a Jap. aircraft my own Bue. number!

uncle twist
04-23-2012, 11:13 PM
If that`s to big, I can make it smaller.Let me know.Either one, you can give it your own # ;):D

dhk79
04-24-2012, 05:47 AM
Cool! Now I can give a Jap. aircraft my own Bue. number!You need to get a working email address before you can start.

dhk79
05-16-2012, 07:10 AM
It's been a few weeks and still no word from brields. I quess he's all smoke and no fire.

Boof69
05-16-2012, 07:56 AM
With his expertise in warbirds and his CS talent you just know it was gunna be an all out stunner too. Too bad school is taking up all his time. We all are really missing out.:(

brields
05-18-2012, 01:41 PM
It's been a few weeks and still no word from brields. I quess he's all smoke and no fire.

It's called CHECK YOUR DARN INBOX.

I'M still waiting on YOU. :)

dhk79
05-18-2012, 02:39 PM
I'M still waiting on YOU.LOL After a month, you send a message and NOW you're waiting me. Well you're going to have to wait a bit longer. The builders next door cut my cable and my cell signal will not handle large files. Monday, I'll be able to send you the files from work if Cox hasn't repaired the house line by then.

In the mean time I've started on a cow-patty scheme, so everyone will get two paintjobs for this reworked bird.

brields
05-18-2012, 02:58 PM
Never mind, I just found out that the "only fully original zero left in the world", the one after which I was going to do the CS on,
is apparently powered by a Prat&Whitney. Making it just another restored zero
with an 1830 engine :(

In other words, I'm going all-smoke-no-fire on this one, as you put it

uncle twist
05-18-2012, 03:50 PM
And the ripcord has been pulled. :eek::eek::eek: