View Full Version : Hire someone to build specific heli?
08-08-2012, 10:46 PM
Is it unusual or possible to hire a designer to build a specific heli. I'm not talking about anything complicated, just a Trex 600 ESP with a specific Fusano canopy, a certain battery setup and rotors.
08-08-2012, 11:07 PM
Pay for Play is generally frowned upon here..........check out the "request aircraft here" thread for tips on how to post a request ;)
08-09-2012, 06:51 AM
You don't need a designer for your mods. You can re-paint the canopy yourself and the physics mods are pretty easy. You should attempt this yourself.
As to hiring a job done... I am all for it. Don't know why pay is such a dirty word here.
08-09-2012, 09:01 AM
You'll have to ask KE that question, Mr. Fuzz Ball. Their house, their rules.
08-09-2012, 09:22 AM
You'll have to ask KE that question, Mr. Fuzz Ball. Their house, their rules.
I agree with Jeff. In addition, it is unlikely any single person would be able to fairly compensate for the work. The number of hours even for a relatively simple job like this is significant. And if I was charging for skilled labor on this sort of project, my rates would be far far North of minimum wage.
08-09-2012, 09:29 AM
I'm new to the site and want to be a part of the community, I use the progarm a lot, and have moved to larger helis so I am practicing harder. Im capable of many things, I just wasn't wanting to spend the time required to learn how to do this. I spend so much time training, learning about gyros, blade balancing, builds, radio set ups, etc, etc, etc, that I was hoping I could hire someone that is an expert to make the heli that I train on the most, and not have more hours learning another talent.
120clockhigh, are there links available on how to build a canopy that you could share with me? I'd look at that, it can't be as hard as the entire heli. My next problem if I could learn to build one is how to make it importable into a certain heli. It's probably all explained somewhere, but I really can't understand why paying an expert it's frowned upon, I'm sure theres a reason that I'm not thinking of.
My son is much better at computers (I'm no hack myself though), but he's in the IT business. He also flies a little so maybe he would take it on for me. But again, I bet theres some serious experts here, and if it was a 1 hour job (I have no idea), what would be wrong with using paypal to pay for the hour and get exactly what you want, working properly. I'd even let it be shared after that, I'm sure a Trex 600 with my Fusano canopy and setup isn't important to anyone esle, theres a bunch of good ones out there. It's just that I'm taking my sim practice very serious and would just feel more connected if the heli was closer to what mine looks and flies like?
Can anyone help me, either to find a situation that is not frowned upon, or links to get started? Man, I don't want to spend the time learning something that others are already so good at. I'm a guy that wants to play by the rules of the BB, so I don't want to do anything that upsets someone.
08-09-2012, 09:45 AM
it is unlikely any single person would be able to fairly compensate for the work. The number of hours even for a relatively simple job like this is significant. And if I was charging for skilled labor on this sort of project, my rates would be far far North of minimum wage.
You could be right, but I've spent a LOT of money on my heli, and specilizing it. Now its a function of supply demand. An expert could say it would cost "x", and I would make a decision. For me, this is more important, so if it was reasonable I'd be more inclined to it.
Again, I don't want to get in trouble on this BB, so I wont bring it up again unless someone says it's not frowned upon.
08-09-2012, 10:19 AM
As far as 12oclock's suggestion: he means to find an existing heli, and edit it's .tga file to make it a different color, to resemble your heli. It's not possible to mix and match parts, one canopy for another, for example, between RF models. All you can do to change the visual appearance of a model is to repaint it.
08-09-2012, 01:53 PM
Guy, don't worry too much about getting in trouble, but there are some considerations that go with that request.
Nothing really wrong with paying someone to do the artwork (3D Mesh and Colorscheme)
* One issue is using KE's .kex exporter to make the 3D mesh usable in the Simulator. (they will own the .kex once it's compiled with their tool)
* Another issue is Max, unless your modeler has paid for the commercial version he cannot charge for the 3D mesh. (Most of the current active modelers are using the FREE student version.)
A funny thing happens when you do something for pay.
* You expect value for your money, and your modeler should work efficiently and to your satisfaction as your employee.
* You can be as picky as you want about any detail within reason since you are paying for the final product afteralll.
* Liability: Your expectation for paying for a model is accuracy and true to it's realworld counterpart. What if you crash your model as a result of a bad simulation?
In the end, my favorite line "If you want something done to your satisfaction, do it yourself" holds true if you want to avoid any gray areas.
Many of us took the plunge to learn the tools out of desire to see our favorite models in the sim.
The tools are FREE, i.e.:
Gimp for Colorscheme
3ds Max (Student Version) for the 3D mesh
Why not give it a go?
Time is worth more to some than money, in that case good luck.
08-09-2012, 03:32 PM
OK now that the lawyers have spoke.:D Here's what you need to do to get this done. Get some pictures together of what makes you canopy unique. Write a detailed description of what unique fight and control characteristics your T-Rex 600 possesses. If you haven't already, download an existing T-Rex model at the swaps there are some already. Post everything and request that someone update the Physics and that maybe someone else do your color scheme.
All the models done here are by request and is considered a partnership between the designer and the requester. If you show a real effort to help get this done someone may decide to help you. There is no real need for payment.
This seams to be the most popular and up to date T-Rex 600 currently on the swaps. (http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=4197) It is tuned to fly in version 4.00.035 and probably will not fly as intended in RF6.
08-09-2012, 04:10 PM
Guys, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe there has ever been an electric t-rex 600 built and posted for any version. I typed 600ESP and 600 ESP into the swap page search field and got a few hits but these appear to be on very old nitro versions. The OP's best option might be to start with Jack's 700 E and downsize it slightly and try to get someone to do the CS for that. The visual would not be perfect but it beats having a muffler hanging on the side.;) The current AV is already set up for RF6 so the tweaking would be minimal.
08-09-2012, 07:16 PM
Heli CSs are easy ....................I'll do the CS if you can supply good references
weather of not we modify an existing one or if someone wants to do a new EA ...............I'll do the CS if that designer wants me to
08-09-2012, 07:49 PM
If he can reach out to the ole one-eye, he can modify his Trex700 mesh to match the 600.
08-09-2012, 07:50 PM
Theres a T-Rex600-microHELIS thats electric and doesn't have the nitro exhaust. All the other ele tric versions that I've seen have the nitro look.
08-09-2012, 10:05 PM
Thanks for pointing that one out. I Just checked it out and it looks pretty good. I also imported the 600ESP AV for it and I was pleasantly surprised at how well it flew in RF6. Is this the one you are currently flying?
08-10-2012, 09:21 AM
I think that it is important for new fliers to realize that it will be many months before they can even tell the difference between two helicopters. Thanks to Dr. Moo, he adjusted a 450 to fly worse for me so that it was more like my own. The first thing to do is learn to fly... then learn to fly better. (Radds school of Rotary flight). You don't really need to have someone bling out a custom heli for you... you need to spend your time on the sticks. If you have less than 10 posts here, you are probably green as grass, so we should not encourage you to modify a heli or plane. You should just fly what is available in the beginners selection of planes and helis. You cannot buy a pilots license, you have to earn it.
08-10-2012, 05:33 PM
Excellent post 12............;)
08-18-2012, 04:01 PM
I was only asking if it was possible to have a heli built that looked like my favorite one that I own. I didn't ask weather or not I had enough posts, or was green as grass, or needed more stick time. I have owned 2 airplanes in my life, have a pilots license with instrument rating and aerobatic training. I understand the fundementals of learing a skill, and did not associate my question with the credentials listed above. It was a simple question about an enjoyable hobby with hopes that I could get a heli that looked like mine. I"ll retract my question and would appreciate no more responses to it.
08-18-2012, 04:07 PM
If you don't want responses, then stop posting. Having said that, your best advice is to find a heli on the swaps that looks as much like the one you have as possible. Repaint the canopy to match, tweak the physics, and you'll be pretty darned close to yours.
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