G2 using Creative Labs 3D blaster Banshee

[pploof]

I'm running an Athlon 850mhz with a 16 meg Crative Labs 3D blaster. I get a runtime error and the program hangs.

The error is:

L:\kelib2\directx\dxapplication.cpp

I am running DirectX 8.0

RealFlight Deluxe runs OK on the system. Any susgestion as to the problem.

[Slider]

pploof,
The card you have, I had the same thing, on the box of that card it says it has a (voodoo2 engine).
At least the box that my creative 3D blaster Banshee card was in said that. If you look at your G2 upgrade box you will see that Voodoo2 cards are not supported. Since I have only a pentium II 266 computer, I replaced the banshee card with a 3dfx voodoo4 4500 32mb agp 3D card.
G2 now works on my slow computer and it works pretty good considering how slow my computer is.
I'm not 100% sure that your banshee card won't work for G2 but pretty sure. If ( I ) had a fast computer like your's, I'd probably would have chosen to pick up a 64mb card or if there's any better one's, maybe even one of those. Most probably you have a agp slot in your computer.
If your going to get a new 3D card, and you have an open agp slot on your computer. An AGP card, the best of my knownledge is the BEST way to go.

Adlai :rolleyes:

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[Slider]

PPloof,
I think you have the same 3d card that I had in my computer. On the box that my Creative 3Dfx Banshee 16mb agp 3D card came in. It shows that it has a 128bit ( voodoo2 ) engine. According to the information on the outside of the RealFight's Generation 2 box that I have. It states that G2 does NOT support ( voodoo2 ). To make a long story short, I took out the banshee card and put in another card that was capatable with G2. With my pentium II 266, G2 now works.
Sorry, but I'm not absolutely sure but pretty sure that you probably have to get a compatable 3D card other then the banshee card you have now to be able to get G2 to work on your computer.
Just in case your going shopping for a 3D card.
As far as I know AGP is better the PCI types.
Sorry couldn't have better news. :rolleyes:

Adlai

[Slider]

Geeper's Creeper's. I posted two reply's because the first one didn't seem to catch. O well.
Brrb..... :rolleyes:

Adlai

[Slider]

Can someone let me know if they've seen my post in here. I can't see my own message's that I posted once I exit and come back to check it.
I want to find out if maybe I've been Muffled because of being to much of a motormouth.lol....
brrb......

Adlai

[flyboy]

I can see your messages Adlai.


Phil

[Slider]

Beep Beep. :(

Adlai

[Slider]

Flyboy,
The last message I sent to you didn't catch. If you see this one, thx for letting me know you saw the one's before that. Exiting stage left for now because my post just aren't working correctly
Catch you later Flyboy
Adlai :rolleyes:

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[pploof]

Thanks for all the help. I finally got it working. I can run hight resolution, up to 1152X864 but I can't run above 16 bit color. Maybe it says that somewhere. Anyhow, it runs good and looks great. Has anybody run G2 with the Elsa and Revelator 3D glasses?

Phil

[Slider]

PPloof,
You didn't have to change the card? I take it the card you were asking about was the ( creative 3D Banshee blaster 16MB AGP with 3DFX )? If this was the correct card and you got it working with G2, how the heck did you do it?

:eek:

Adlai

[pploof]

I got it to work by reducing the color from 32 bit down to 16 bit. For some reason I can't run above 16 bit color regardless as to the resolution. :cool:

[Scott Kemp]

You are absolutely right. The Banshee uses Voodoo II technology which is a 16 bit 3d card. Please report this as a bug on our main site and we will give a better warning about this situation.

[RichardS]

I had one of those myself.. And you can try using opengl instead of 3dfx that may help ... not sure though. I no longer have that card so I couldn't even test to see if it would work that way .. :o) just my way of being noticed hehe.. Good luck Bro

[futurvet]

I'm using the 3d banshee 16meg card with no problems....300 Hhz system with 64MRam

[RyanS]

Just a quick note. The 3dfx Banshee is a card based on the VoodooII with a 2d controller built in. Until the Voodoo4 and 5 series were released, 3dfx did not support 32-bit color. This means you will never be able to get Real Flight to work with 32-bit color with that card, your hardware simply does not support it. As to the issues not allowing VoodooII cards to run Real Flight G2, these issues are solved in the Banshee due to the 2d controller built into the card.

So technically it will run, however 3dfx does not seem to be supporting there cards anymore. You cannot even download drivers from them. For this reason I would stay as far away as possible from any 3dfx card. You wont get any support or driver updates.

[Slider]

Ryans,
Your one smart dude. Thanks for clearing everything up and doing it in a strait forward easy to understand fasion. I was going to try and straiten out the info but couldn't find the time and I'm glad you got to it first because you did it in such a fasion that everyone will understand.
As far as the not being able to get the latest driver's for 3dfx. After I installed the 3dfx voodoo4 4500 card. I was directed to a NEW site for 3dfx which I didn't have access to with the banshee card. It also included (to the best of my knownledge ) a new driver for the banshee card that wasn't available with the other 3dfx site.
Anyway I think this is the new address <A HREF="http://www.3dfx.com/sitmap_frame.html?404;htt;//www.3dfx.com/view_io.asp" TARGET="_blank">http://www.3dfx.com/sitmap_frame.html?404;htt;//www.3dfx.com/view_io.asp</A> ( no spaces ).
It does have the new drivers for the voodoo4 4500 and the voodoo5 5000 etc. I just checked it.
Also, the reason I purchased the 3dfx voodoo4 45oo agp 32 mb 3d card. Is because I have a slower computer ( a pentium II 266 ) and because I HAVE a ton of sims that can run with this card and because I knew I could run G2 with this card and because ( at least to me ) it wasn't that expensive ( $ 150 ) and because I think this was the last card available on the island where I live. ( It seems, A whole bunch of them sold out a short while after the announcement that 3dfx was bought out by Nvidia ). I knew that by doing this that there was the possibilty that I might not get the driver's support for this card because 3dfx was bought out by Nvidia. But at the same time, from information that I read about the buy out, I felt kinda comfortable that I would be able to still get driver support for this card. Main reason I got it, works with G2 and my ton's of older sim's and my sorta slow computer. Very good information you gave Ryans. :rolleyes:

Adlai

[Slider]

PS: It appears that 3dfx does have the lastest drivers for 3dfx cards, but since 3dfx was bought out by Nvidia a little more then about a week or as so ago. Can't say how long more 3dfx will supply the latest drivers. But I think since
( to the best of my knownledge ) 3dfx even though being bought out by Nvidia STILL is responsible for any cards that they previously sold. So I figure it would probably be in the former 3dfx's interest to probably try to continue to support driver's for cards they sold. You never know. Plus it kinda seems that somehow 3dfx and Nvidia are sorta combined in some way for at least the 3dfx former cards. Again, to the best of my knownledge, 3dfx will no longer being doing any 3d card manufacturing but they will be doing some kind of software stuff. That's all I want to say on this subject, so please if someone wants to ask me about this, please don't. Whew! :rolleyes:

Adlai

[Slider]

:p

Adlai

[Scott Kemp]

From what I have read, NVidia will not be doing drivers for 3dfx cards. And 3dfx is basically going out of business (See their website <A HREF="http://www.3dfx.com" TARGET="_blank">www.3dfx.com</A>), so driver support for Voodoo cards I am afraid will become non-existant.

Ouch.

[Slider]

PS: PS: Everyone gave helpful, good information on this subject But Ryans gave the bestest! And if it wasn't for Ryans I probably still wouldn't have figured it out yet, so thanks for saving me tons of time Ryans and also everyone else for giving their very helpful information. I have one last question? With using the Banshee 3D card, Does the smoke look like the Real Macoy? I know that with my new card it does. Just want to know if it makes a difference?
Thanks, :rolleyes:

Adlai

[Slider]

Scott,
You may be right about no more support for the voodoo cards, but then again, if you really look closely at the 3dfx site, it seems like 3dfx is still giving support for the 3D cards they sold. Anyway, even if your right, I'm still happy with my voodoo 4 4500 because when I purchased it I wasn't really expecting to get any further driver support for it anyway. But for someone else who expects to want to run FUTURE sims, it would probably be a good idea to stay away from voodoo cards. But if on the other hand their like me and have a whole bunch of sorta older sims, lets say a ton of sorta older sims, and a slower computer like me, and are not expecting to go out and pick up the latest greatest sims, the voodoo 4 4500 and above would probably suffice. For me, since I have the ton of sorta older sims, and I don't expect to pick up anymore of the latest greatest sims that will be coming out for quite some time. At least not till I pick up a new computer that can handle all the new feature's of G2, which will probably be within a years time. The voodoo 4 4500 seems like my best bet. The main thing is, backward compatability for my ton of sorta older sims, plus also being able to handle G2. Once I get a new computer, I will then pick up another much better 3D card also ( NOT a Voodoo card ). And I will probably sell the computer I have now, with most of my ton of sorta older sims, ( maybe ). Now if right now I didn't have a ton of sorta older sims and I had a computer that met the optium requirements for running G2, minus the 3D card. I would probably stay away from voodoo cards, but then again still maybe not. From what I think I know now about 3D cards, now is sorta a transition time still. The lastest greatest 3D cards from what I've read about them, are compatable with most of the sims on the market now, but you have to do a lot of searching around for do hickey's, (drivers) to get a lot of the sims to run with them. Something on that line. And a lot of tooling around with the 3D card set up to get a lot of seems to be able to run on them. Anyway, guess I should put it this way. Anyone going to buy a new 3D card, do some GOOD INVESTIGATING before you make the purchase. Depends on your needs and wants and your wallet size.
:p

Adlai

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