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Old 04-27-2016, 10:32 PM
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RF Multiplayer is down

And we still have no way to connect directly to each other over the Internet without it.

If you care about this being down and would appreciate being able to connect without the single point of failure Only one server that exists for multiplayer Realflight PLEASE let KnifeEdge know about it.

This really sucks.

The fanbois here say they don't really care about multiplayer options.

All two of them.

If you care and want more flexibility SPEAK UP!

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Old 04-28-2016, 08:57 AM
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What about VPN? maybe they have a right to protect their IP.
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Old 04-28-2016, 12:07 PM
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Yup VPN works fine.
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Old 04-28-2016, 02:00 PM
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Yup .. you can have everyone log into the same VPN and then search for sessions using LAN instead of internet. I always use a VPN when on multiplayer but adhere to proper etiquette.
I have noticed all afternoon and evening the list server is connecting but listing no sessions.

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Old 04-28-2016, 09:30 PM
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VPN everyone always says VPN.
But I think nobody ACTUALLY USES REALFLIGHT ON A VPN.
Because it is relatively complex to setup.
Most VPN systems DON'T pass broadcast LAN packets nor do they bridge
the same LAN segment over the VPN.
Both of these are required for RF to work over a "VPN".
It also adds significant latency.

I feel the "fanbois" here just spout off "use a VPN" whenever this question comes up
but none of Y'all have actually done this or experienced the complexities involved.


I'm willing to be wrong and would like to try a VPN hosted session with any and all of you who reply with "just use a VPN it's what I always do" (read comment above mine).

I'm willing to learn let's go.

Please step me through using the VPN that you use, Please host a session on a VPN and tell me what I need to get so I can join you in a session.

Let's do this.


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Old 04-28-2016, 10:16 PM
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ASUS Router, simple VPN setup.

E-mail config to remote user & link to client, have them install the client and open the config from the client software.

Done.

it's that simple.

"Fanboy" out.
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Old 04-28-2016, 11:49 PM
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Most of us have don't have Asus routers.
Not really a solution or good example that say 5 of us here can do this evening
and all join a VPN session while the MP server is down.

Please present a realistic example that we can actually do.
With some simple step by step instructions please.

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Old 04-28-2016, 11:52 PM
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But go ahead and please email me a link to your connectable config and the free client software I'd love to try it and with a few others here too.
Will you host?
I'm steve at michiganbroadband.com

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Old 04-28-2016, 11:53 PM
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:22 AM
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I have Usenetserver for newsgroup access. They offer a VPN service with a client program. It can also be used on your cell phone and other devices. Go to their webpage and click VPN at the top if you want to read about it. It's not rocket or airplane science. If I type a URL here the message will be held for moderation so just google for it. Hope this helps.

P.S. I'm 50+ and not a boy. I am trying to help is all.
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Old 04-29-2016, 08:37 AM
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did anyone try calling tech support yesterday? I am able to log on and host but I don't think its working yet!
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Old 04-29-2016, 03:28 PM
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I'd like to actually try a real VPN hosted session here where it's fairly easy for anyone
to get a client freely and get connected..
Everyone says "use a vpn" but I don't think they have actually gone or been through the motions of:

1- Hosting/setting a VPN or server that is free or easy to get your hands on.
2- Distributing the client software and config to get connected.
3- Getting everyone connected.
4- Getting a Realflight session working on it.

There are some complications and missing equipment or software that costs money that prohibit most folks from doing this.

Can one of the folks that keep saying just use it on a VPN *please*
Host a test session so we can experience how easy this is?

Or admit that it's hard enough/difficult and that MOST VPN systems will
not support a bridged LAN emulation (that Realflight requires).
But instead work in a routed subnet fashion (That does not work with Realflight).

And that we actually could indeed use a host by public IP option in the software.
Which has been my point for a couple of years.

And now that we experienced TWO DAYS of single central Realflight hosted server failure - I am trying to make my point again.

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Old 04-29-2016, 03:47 PM
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I'm not here just to complain and gripe.
If you don't care about this, "it is what it is" as they say.

If KnifeEdge for ANY reason were ever to stop hosting their single multiplayer server
and they can fully do this if they want. they are NOT obligated to run it forever.
If they did that you'd be stuck with software that will not be able to multiplayer
host and connect over the Internet.

If you do care let's do TWO things.

1- Let the software company know you care about it.
Call your friends (if they care) and have them also express that they care.

2- Let's actually try a full time VPN hosted server.
I have some ideas of what would work and could host the server on my end
but I need friends that would make an effort to test the client software, get connected
spend some time playing on a VPN hosted server (here) or at your place to see how it
works how it handles more than only two players etc.

Show some interest in this and I'll get it going.
And keep it going.
Not as clean and cool as a software update to allow connectivity outside of their single
server but an alternative and a way to connect when it is down.
Actually doing this will also show them there is a demand or need to be able to connect outside of their system.
And that people care about still being able to play multiplayer over the Internet when the
Central server is down, gone or 'no longer supported'.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:05 PM
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"VPN Services" aer pretty much out of the question.
Most FREE ones are not the VPN you are looking for they are traffic anonymysers
Marketing to people who *think* this makes it much harder to track their activities.
Not for the purpose of bridging a virtual LAN.
They also offer paid versions that allow more bandwidth and more than one connection.
Most of the paid ones I have looked at allow up to 5 devices..

You want low latency on Realflight, peer to peer. you don't want to channel all the data through a hosted VPN pool.
And you need single LAN emulation that passes broadcast packets to everyone on it.
Hosted VPN services generally do not do any of this.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:14 PM
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You didn't upset me in any way N8LBV. I've grown a thick skin over the years. I started with computers when you had to build them from a kit and program them in hexadecimal.

Read this for intro to VPN hosting on your own PC:

http://www.howtogeek.com/135996/how-...-any-software/

If any of the heli people that have seen me in sessions would consider including me to join in please send me a private message with info on here. I like flying at Sonny's, Chikko's, etc but noticed today some are starting to use passwords which is understandable.
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