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Old 05-10-2006, 09:44 AM
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Thumbs up Red Arrow Hawk

Here is my version of the world famous Red Arrows Hawk.It has flaps on the rotary knob,smoke on the front left switch(no dual rates),wheel and air brakes on the 3 pos switch on the top left of transmitter and retracts on the top right switch.Check description on the plane selection screen in G3 for full switch positions.Hope you all like it.There is also a high vis yellow colourscheme available for download.Enjoy
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Old 05-10-2006, 12:49 PM
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I like this one very much. The air-brakes are a very nice touch. The only change that I've made is to put the engine exhaust smoke on the same smoke servo as the wing-tip red smoke generators.
Keep up the great work, much appreciated, many thanks.
Old 05-10-2006, 03:41 PM
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Great plane, I tweaked it a little to give it a bit more speed. Here's my variant of it
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Old 05-10-2006, 04:43 PM
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Nice job. All i need is a T-45 Goshawk colorscheme and I will be in heaven. Its the plane in my avatar, navy trainer
Old 05-10-2006, 04:46 PM
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What software did you use to create this model inky00? It seems that none of your smoothing was carried over in the export and theirs alot of flipped normals (reversed polygons) visible on the model, I also get missing component errors
Old 05-10-2006, 11:24 PM
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inky: I really love this jet. It flies great! Excellent job!

I did notice the starboard main wheel turns rearward when the plane rolls forward.
Old 05-11-2006, 05:45 AM
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@WingsWest328 ... thats one I made a while ago (it still needs quite a bit of work to get it into G3)

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Old 05-11-2006, 01:29 PM
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I used 3ds max8 to make this model and i would imagine that the missing component names are for the horizontal stabilisers as the hawk has a full movable tail and they are named ~CS_LME and ~CS_RME.As far as the flipped normals go i hadn't noticed but i have had a few problems with my computer lately and have lost the max file so am unable to make any changes,its a shame as i wanted to fix a few things myself but i am afraid this is as good as it gets unless i can be bothered to start again(unlikely).What do you mean about the smoothing not being exported as i am not much good at smoothing so am not sure what you mean.

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Old 05-11-2006, 01:53 PM
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Cool Turbine Power!!

Here is my edited version of the Red Arrow with a turbine engine. Enjoy!
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Old 05-11-2006, 02:10 PM
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Hi Inky,

If you do a search for "smoothing group" in the max help file it describes what Rick is talking about.

One thing to note is it that KEX exporter ignores the 3DS max smoothing groups and applies an arbitrary smoothing angle of 45 degrees (I think)

You can force a smoothing angle on a particular object

From Aaron Oki Moore

Each ~CS group of objects can have a parameter that specifies its smoothing angle. To change the smoothing angle of an object:

- Select the ~CS object you wish to modify
- Right click on the object and go to properties
- Then go to user defined properties
- There will be a big empty text field where you'll need to enter the following line:

What that will do is set the smoothing angle of that ~CS group to the equivalent of 85 degrees of auto smoothing.

The range that is supported is 0 to 85 degrees.
Old 05-11-2006, 04:30 PM
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Hey, great job on this airplane. I've noticed a whole heck of a lot of good aircraft coming out from what have to be some talented people.

You guys are doing great and KE should be paying you to keep producing these planes and keeping their product competitive!

I have not tried the other flight sims, but I thought about selling G3 and buying Aerofly simply because I wanted to have more planes to choose from. All of the Extras, Giles, etc. from Rick and the other scale and aerobatic models I'm seeing from everyone else have kept this sim very interesting for me. I really think you guys are what keeps it going, so THANK YOU.

Old 05-11-2006, 05:36 PM
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I have AFDP... Keep G3, you'll be glad you did!
Old 05-11-2006, 06:59 PM
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Same here

Keep G3, The editor options for the fields and planes are easier to get to change the aircraft. AFPD you need to open a certain file in something like wordpad. The minor adjustments can be done in the sim, but the major work is done out of the program. AFPD does have some good points for planes, but heli's is lacking. You will not have idle up switches with the standard interlink controller or dual rates. I'm sure this is the same for the controller, that comes with AFPD. These functions need to be programmed from an actual radio. G3 still has some issues, but I believe they will be addressed some time soon. There is not a perfect sim out there. Reflex I have spent many hours on heli's, but the planes need serious work out of the box. If I were to put a scale of 0-10 they would be about a 0 starting out and so far after editing the max I have got is about an 7.

The aircraft file to be edited in AFPD is a .tmd.

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Old 05-11-2006, 08:50 PM
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Yes, keep G3. I've flown them all...a lot. AFPD physics are too "pong" like (read toylike).

"Sometimes, I run out of altitude and airspeed...at the same time!"
Old 05-12-2006, 03:49 PM
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WingsWest328,Your prayers have been answered.
Here is the T-45 Goshawk colourscheme for the Hawk i posted.
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