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Old 05-13-2008, 07:04 PM
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u come in at the right angle and shut off before touching the ground its possable
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Old 05-13-2008, 07:16 PM
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I'm not sure why we still feel a need a question the picture and the explanation but, here goes ...

There is plenty of "dust" in the picture to indicate that it's a real Mig (look closer) and that this could very well be a tail strike caused by doing a loop too close to the ground. 5952 pounds of thrust would push any amount of dust well behind the impact point. with the direction of that thrust - as seen in the picture the direction is at about a 70 to 80 degree angle to the ground - the resulting dust would also be held in it's blast stream - along the ground. The engine is obviously close to full power - there is a long stream of dust along the ground behind the Mig - if the engine wasn't at full power the dust wouldn't be blown back along the ground and there would be a plume close enough to the tail to see it in the photo. If the photo showed more distance behind the Mig you could see a plume of the generated dust circling higher into the air as the jet blast from the Mig disipated.

As an example; look at a picture of any jet with a smoke trail behind them and you'll see a gap between the jet and the beginning of that smoke trail. The jet blast is so strong that the smoke isn't even visable for several feet behind the jet.
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Old 05-13-2008, 08:39 PM
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good point
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Old 02-17-2010, 05:13 PM
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Lightbulb Yep it's real! I saw it!

I just ran across this forum searching for Mig 17 stuff. I was at the air show in Harrison, AR when the Mig touched the ground. I was a volunteer pumping Smoke oil when this happened. I saw the plane go flat coming out of the loop and just knew he was going to crash. I was down a little too low to see the plane when it touched the ground but saw a huge dust cloud boil up and then a couple of seconds later saw the plane climbing out. I couldn't believe my eyes. I too have an 8X10 glossy picture of this hanging on my wall. The fellow that took the picture had some copies made and my flight instructor gave me a copy. After he landed the FAA guys descended on the aircraft for about an hour then the local mechanic and the pilot got a rubber hammer and a dolly and started beating on the tail section until they had it looking pretty good. I guess the FAA guys OK'd it to fly cause he flew it out later. I heard the pilot was killed a few years later in another crash but can't confirm that and don't know what he was flying when it happened. If anyone knows the pilot's name it would be interesting to see what happened to him.
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Old 10-21-2016, 01:32 AM
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Definitive "it's real"

I know it's real because my brother Kelly is the photographer. The photos posted on the internet are scans from the enlargements people, mostly from FAA, asked him for. He has the original negatives, better Pdfs, and prior/post photos of the sequence. He was there at the Harrison, Arkansas Air Show as an FAA technician but off duty taking photos. To answer some of the posters' comments:
- it is a MiG 17, not 15.
- actual year was around 1992-95 (he doesn't remember exactly) as that was when he was with the FAA in Arkansas and he was still in the USAF in 1990.
- that is weather station gear, not landing aids, in the background which is why they don't look right.
- the angle of the photo is because he was on top of the FAA van.
- he couldn't actually tell what was happening at the time due to his location and the restricted visual field looking through the camera lens. The photo was pure serendipity in the sequence he was taking of plane.
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Old 10-21-2016, 01:33 AM
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Definitive it's real

I know it's real because my brother Kelly is the photographer. The photos posted on the internet are scans from the enlargements people, mostly from FAA, asked him for. He has the original negatives, better Pdfs, and prior/post photos of the sequence. He was there at the Harrison, Arkansas Air Show as an FAA technician but off duty taking photos. To answer some of the posters' comments:
- it is a MiG 17, not 15.
- actual year was around 1992-95 (he doesn't remember exactly) as that was when he was with the FAA in Arkansas and he was still in the USAF in 1990.
- that is weather station gear, not landing aids, in the background which is why they don't look right.
- the angle of the photo is because he was on top of the FAA van.
- he couldn't actually tell what was happening due to his location and the restricted visual field looking through the camera lens. The photo was pure serendipity in the sequence he was taking of plane.
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Old 10-22-2016, 05:02 AM
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Wasparkman 1. why double post?
2. Why would you bump a 6 year dead thread?
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